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lordhobie
Acolyte
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 Posted - 24 Feb 2015 : 16:03:10
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Has anyone heard any news on the possible publication of this epic? :)
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Feb 2015 : 16:40:39
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| It's actually looking good. I believe manuscript copies are already available to Eric's friends (I know one copy has been turned into a campaign setting book for Eric's kids). There's also a couple of regional sourcebooks in the pipeline - though how much WotC are involved in these projects I couldn't tell you. |
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lordhobie
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 24 Feb 2015 : 17:18:12
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Thanks Hashimashadoo!
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Algolei
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 23 Nov 2015 : 12:12:34
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| Hello. I joined up just to ask about this. Is there any more recent information? |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 23 Nov 2015 : 13:39:06
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At this time "Under Illefarn Anew" remains a fan project that will not be released to the general public.
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 23 Nov 2015 : 17:12:30
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Originally posted by George Krashos
At this time "Under Illefarn Anew" remains a fan project that will not be released to the general public.
-- George Krashos
That's very disappointing. I'd love to be able to read that. |
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Rymac
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2015 : 17:39:36
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Originally posted by George Krashos
At this time "Under Illefarn Anew" remains a fan project that will not be released to the general public.
-- George Krashos
While I share in the disappointment, I'm not surprised. It would make my decade if WotC started supporting fan projects, not to mention lifting NDAs so never published lore could see the light of day. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 23 Nov 2015 : 19:00:31
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| Darn. I was really looking forward to this. Hopefully it's being held close because it may see publication in the future? ;) |
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Eltheron
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Nov 2015 : 19:20:33
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
And in my opinion it is the biggest black mark against WoTC because of their decision not to publish it
I'm certainly no fan of WotC, but you can't really blame a company for not wanting to fund and publish a product that could conflict dramatically with current and upcoming lore or other products in their lineup.
It's also equally the decision of the person/people designing it, to not offer it as a free fan creation. I certainly don't blame anyone for wanting to be paid for their work, but on the other hand they've likely benefited from years and years of freely available material offered here by fans who never expected any payment of any kind. And this started out as a sideline fun project without any planned contract.
For those who angrily say no one should offer content freely, ever, I'd point out that Ed for years has offered a massive number of free updates, adventure hooks, and lore material. As have a significant number of scribes here at Candlekeep.
So it's a choice, but it isn't just WotC's choice. Just saying.
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2015 : 20:21:30
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Originally posted by Eltheron
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
And in my opinion it is the biggest black mark against WoTC because of their decision not to publish it
I'm certainly no fan of WotC, but you can't really blame a company for not wanting to fund and publish a product that could conflict dramatically with current and upcoming lore or other products in their lineup.
It's also equally the decision of the person/people designing it, to not offer it as a free fan creation. I certainly don't blame anyone for wanting to be paid for their work, but on the other hand they've likely benefited from years and years of freely available material offered here by fans who never expected any payment of any kind. And this started out as a sideline fun project without any planned contract.
For those who angrily say no one should offer content freely, ever, I'd point out that Ed for years has offered a massive number of free updates, adventure hooks, and lore material. As have a significant number of scribes here at Candlekeep.
So it's a choice, but it isn't just WotC's choice. Just saying.
This smacks of trying to shame them for their decision. When it gets down to it, it's nobody's business but the creators of said work what is done with it. We're not entitled to it. I'd love to see it too, but if we have to wait, that's just the way it goes.
Whatever choice they make should be respected, not bashed. I'm sure there's good reason for that choice anyway. |
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Rymac
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 23 Nov 2015 : 21:12:27
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Originally posted by Eltheron
I'm certainly no fan of WotC, but you can't really blame a company for not wanting to fund and publish a product that could conflict dramatically with current and upcoming lore or other products in their lineup.
That may very well be. Not publishing Under Illefarn Anew could very well conflict with WotC's planned direction and vision of 5e Forgotten Realms.
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So it's a choice, but it isn't just WotC's choice. Just saying.
Although I can't speak for the designer, he and other grognards have provided freely of their efforts and time to so much lore here at Candlekeep and other (and older) venues. Not to mention their published works. He will do with it want he wants. It's not our business.
My understanding of the project is that is it built/designed from the the original Under Illefarn and other intervening lore that is copyrighted and trademarked. WotC holds those copyrights and trademarks. So if WotC says "no", Under Illefarn Anew will never see the light of day. |
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Algolei
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 24 Nov 2015 : 15:37:53
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Rats.
But thank you for the information. Now I can stop hoping and get on with miserable existence.
Hail Hydra. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Nov 2015 : 03:16:32
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| Does this mean we will never see the High Forest project either? |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Dec 2015 : 17:16:21
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Making N5 Under Illefarn for 5th edition would be so cool.
I would just have to get it.
I could just convert it myself but I want to support WOTC so that they in turn will support the Realms.
John |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Dec 2015 : 17:18:17
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Originally posted by froglegg
Making N5 Under Illefarn for 5th edition would be so cool.
I would just have to get it.
I could just convert it myself but I want to support WOTC so that they in turn will support the Realms.
John
Well dang........
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Androminous
Acolyte
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Posted - 05 Feb 2016 : 15:34:59
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Originally posted by George Krashos
At this time "Under Illefarn Anew" remains a fan project that will not be released to the general public.
-- George Krashos
Any chance of seeing it published through the Dungeon Master's Guild under the OGL? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2016 : 18:07:05
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Originally posted by Androminous
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Originally posted by George Krashos
At this time "Under Illefarn Anew" remains a fan project that will not be released to the general public.
-- George Krashos
Any chance of seeing it published through the Dungeon Master's Guild under the OGL?
Many of us are hoping for that, but I've seen no word on it, either way. |
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Rils
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2016 : 18:17:01
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| And what's this mysterious "High Forest" project that Fellfire mentioned? I'm ridiculously interested in anything High Forest... |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 05 Feb 2016 : 21:51:16
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Eric was working on a follow-up to Under Illefarn Anew set in the High Forest.
-- George Krashos |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Cards77
Senior Scribe
USA
747 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2016 : 00:32:48
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| yes i'd also purchase this. |
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2016 : 20:16:03
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Indeed, this would rise high on my to-buy list.
The Realms seems to be missing a truly iconic mega-adventure, at least not one tied to the stereotypical pillars of the setting (Drow, pantheon machinations) or an RSE-type or cross-promotional tie-in (which even most of the 5E adventures could be filed under.) |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 May 2016 : 22:37:17
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by George Krashos
At this time "Under Illefarn Anew" remains a fan project that will not be released to the general public.
-- George Krashos
That's very disappointing. I'd love to be able to read that.
Me too.
John |
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PartyLikeIts1372
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 11 Aug 2017 : 23:31:48
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From what I've seen on Candlekeep, there was a lot of disappointment, mixed with some bitterness that Illefarn Anew wasn't picked up by Wizards, and that some elements of Eric Boyd's and Markustay's work were used in Ghosts of Dragonspear Castle (there's even an acknowledgement of Under Illefarn Anew on page 134).
Wouldn't this be a perfect project for DMsGuild, though? I know that isn't a super lucrative place to release material, but Wizards has pretty much cleared the copyright issues...
As I'm currently starting a new group of players in Daggerford, I'd love to get my hands on Anew. |
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Aug 2017 : 23:41:00
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Originally posted by PartyLikeIts1372
From what I've seen on Candlekeep, there was a lot of disappointment, mixed with some bitterness that Illefarn Anew wasn't picked up by Wizards, and that some elements of Eric Boyd's and Markustay's work were used in Ghosts of Dragonspear Castle (there's even an acknowledgement of Under Illefarn Anew on page 134).
Wouldn't this be a perfect project for DMsGuild, though? I know that isn't a super lucrative place to release material, but Wizards has pretty much cleared the copyright issues...
As I'm currently starting a new group of players in Daggerford, I'd love to get my hands on Anew.
I'm in exactly the same situation. |
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Androminous
Acolyte
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Posted - 12 Aug 2017 : 00:10:53
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Originally posted by PartyLikeIts1372
As I'm currently starting a new group of players in Daggerford, I'd love to get my hands on Anew.
As you probably know, Daggerford itself is fleshed out, including maps of the environs, in Scourge of the Sword Coast:
http://dnd.wizards.com/products/tabletop-games/digital-only/scourge-sword-coast
There is also a more detailed map of the Daggerford environs partly seen on page 14 of the 5e DMG with locations not mentioned before, as far as I know, in any supplement from any edition. The full map is available from the artist.
http://prints.mikeschley.com/p858006957/e27b48d70
I don't know, but those locations might be from Under Illefarn Anew. I'd love to know more about them.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 12 Aug 2017 : 00:23:20
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No, they are not. I'm not sure where they are from - I only recognized one of them from 'elsewhere'.
I have incorporated what details I could from the 5e DMG map on my continental map, but they are really way too small to see (you may be able to discern the tiny forests, and where I allowed for the lakes). When I get back to my main mapping project (Faerűn in detail), I will be incorporating all these things onto those maps.
I also did a mostly B&W map of the Daggerford environs, because I wanted to detail the bridge, and also because I wanted to try and reconcile discrepancies between the P&P version, and the video games (where Daggerford was on the SOUTH side of the river). This is unfinished, and may remain unfinished indefinitely, depending on my interests. |
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PartyLikeIts1372
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 12 Aug 2017 : 00:27:55
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As you probably know, Daggerford itself is fleshed out, including maps of the environs, in Scourge of the Sword Coast:
http://dnd.wizards.com/products/tabletop-games/digital-only/scourge-sword-coast
There is also a more detailed map of the Daggerford environs partly seen on page 14 of the 5e DMG with locations not mentioned before, as far as I know, in any supplement from any edition. The full map is available from the artist.
http://prints.mikeschley.com/p858006957/e27b48d70
I don't know, but those locations might be from Under Illefarn Anew. I'd love to know more about them.
Androminous -- I do have those sources, and agree, I'd love to see the locations on Mike Schley's map fleshed out. I'm using both Schley's full map of the Daggerford environs (bought from his website) and Markustay's map of the region. And I'm using portions of the Ghosts of Dragonspear Castle and Dreams of Red Wizards series, but my campaign is starting in 1354 DR, so I ignore or change large parts of the 5e material. My hope would be that Eric Boyd's work is set early enough in the history that I can pull more lore from it. Thanks for the great suggestions, tho! |
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PartyLikeIts1372
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 12 Aug 2017 : 00:48:58
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Markustay -- Thanks to your map, I found the perfect location to drop my version of A0 - Danger at Darkshelf Quarry (totally re-written for 5th Ed). That adventure has an underground river (and a shrine to the Elder Eye, that ties things nicely with Dreams of Red Wizards). The river flows INTO the caves underneath the quarry, but its outlet isn't navigable (the cave wall goes below the stream's outlet).
Your note about Steeping Falls gave me the necessary inspiration. I have the underground river originating at Steeping Falls, with the Steeping Stream flowing overhead through "The Crag" as shown on Shley's Daggerford environs map. Basically Steeping Falls hides the underground river entrance, and the swirling currents under the falls allow the Delimbyr to flow past, while the underground tributary flows under The Crag, and eventually exits into Curstlake on Shley's map.
And of since the barony of Steeping Falls was founded by Artor Morlin, there are all kinds of inspirations for future adventures, right there! (See http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9087 for a bit more on the Barony of Steeping Falls) |
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Cards77
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 12 Aug 2017 : 02:36:05
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If Eric released his work on DMs guild, he could charge whatever he wants literally. It would be the top selling FR product by the end of the year.
I know many folks who would pay the price of a full on commercially printed source book for either of Eric's projects.
Perhaps that is exactly what WotC fears.
Give us little fanboys a sand box to play in, to keep us out of their hair while they produce the "premium content"....UNTIL something comes onto the DM's guild that outshines their "products". |
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