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Originally posted by Gary Dallison

I like the film sliding doors, but that line was terrible.

Now I can mess around with sertra and nindrol lore between the lines you have sketched.

I'm thinking melvair was one of the arcanists but left 5 years before sertra was destroyed. I'm wondering if perhaps the netherese were using the moonwell as a spell pool to help power their awesome magic (perhaps making a sort of mythallar out of it so they could cast spells far beyond their normal power individually). Maybe a super powered banish spell to send him back to the far realm by opening a planar rift (I found an elder evil that recommends placing in the western heartlands that would fit with the shadowking - cant remember the name though).

I'm wondering how the shadowking was eventually imprisoned, is it detailed in a novel perhaps.

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Originally posted by ericlboyd

Silmarien Silverleaf (CG moon elf ranger 7 / wizard 8) hails from Synnoria. She has wandered to and across the mainland in search of male elves, who she hopes will return to Synnoria to help her enlarge the dwindling population.

TSR Trading Cards 1992, #595.

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Originally posted by Gary Dallison

I got hold of baldman games adventurers league stuff up to beneath cairnwell (I think 3-2), but there it looks like they have done convention adventures up to 12-3 in the moonshaes.

Has anyone played or got copies of these that they might be willing to sell.

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Originally posted by Gary Dallison

No luck getting hold of the baldman games adventurers league stuff. If anyone has a copy of modules CCC-MOON-4-1 to CCC-MOON-12-3 then let me know, I'd be very interested to buy a copy.

Found dungeon 149 had a moonshae adventure (already found once before but forgotten). Noticed a night twist is the main baddie (a murderous tree with a death song.
A night twist is a very appropriate monster for my moonshaes given the songs and music are part of the whole kazgoroth and moonwell legend.

Not sure about the origin of the night twist. I have noticed there are no treants on the moonshae isles, despite it being perfect treant location (with at least one arakhora on the moonshae isles before it was sundered).
So the night twist could be a corrupted treant, in fact all the treants could have died out during wars with kazgoroth and the decline of the earthmother, any remaining trees become corrupted by underlie/shadow Fey and turn into night twists.

I picture a few night twists in winterglen. I'm putting a night twist in norland where the sunken academy is located (I figure it's an old druid grove but was slaughtered by the northmen).


Maybe a treant would make a good candidate for one of the children of the earthmother or a guardian of a moonwell. A mobile night twist would make a great corrupted servant of kazgoroth.

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Originally posted by Gary Dallison

Cheers for the pointer. I don't know whether to just trawl through every Fey and plant monster and find a place for them in the moonshae isles, or whether I should be selective and only develop the things that are already present or hinted at.

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Originally posted by Gary Dallison

More randomness, this time relating to the lineage of Callidyrr.

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HK Cymrych: Born 171, Reigned 193/250*, First son of Callidyrr; died of wounds suffered years earlier in combat against Kazgoroth.
Christopher Riker: [R] Born 174, Regent [201/250], Champion of Cymrych Hugh; named regent of Corwell in 201; died in 256.
Cedric Riker: [R] Born 198, Regent [250/272], Son of Reagent Christopher Koart.
Cymrych Dynasty of Callidyrr
HK Warren I: Born 237, Reigned 250/259, First son of Cymrych Hugh; died of illness.
HQ Tamara: Born 238, Reigned 259/263, First daughter of Cymrych Hugh; poisoned
HK Carrig I: Born 244, Reigned 263/287, Second son of Cymrych Hugh; died in combat against Northmen invaders.
HK Gwylloch: Born 265, Reigned 287/299, First son of Carrig I; driven mad and died in suicidal orgy of combat within his court at the Palace of Skulls.
HK Gorham: Born 270, Reigned 299/322, Second son of Carrig I; slain by Markus.
HK Markus: Born 288, Reigned 322/333, Second son of Gwylloch; died in combat.
HK Cameron "the Wise": Born 291, Reigned 333/370, Grandson of Warren I; died of natural causes.

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At first everything looks fine. Cymrych Hugh rules from 193-250 DR and he dies of wounds suffered by Kazgoroth. Then we see he has a regent from 201-250 DR who is only named regent of Corwell.

So Cyrmrych Hugh is already King of Corwell, he unites Callidyrr and moves his house to Callidyrr in 201 DR leaving a regent to rule Corwell.

What is weird is the rule of Callidyrr after Cymrych Hugh. It passes to his first son Warren I who takes the throne aged 13 and dies aged 22 of disease. Then it passes to Cymrych Hugh's first daughter who dies age 25 of poisoning. Then it passes to Cymrych Hugh's second son Carrig I.

That in itself is strange. Normally I would expect a kingdom to be primogenitor in that it passes to the eldest children in order until one of them has a child. Of course whether a society favours males or males and females depends on whether it goes to sons only or not.
However this title appears to pass through the children in age order.


Then the next set of kings are the first son of Carrig, the second son of Carrig, and then the second son of the first son of Carrig before passing to the Grandson of Cymrych Hugh's first son Warren I.


What the hell kind of succession law is that. If Warren I had a son (which he obviously did) then the title should have ignored Cymrych Hugh's daughter and second son completely and passed to Warren I's son before passing to his grandson.

The only thing I can think of is that in the beginning, the High King of the Moonshae was an elective title, i.e. all the Cantrev lords voted who they wanted to be High King (or Queen) and maybe it was Cameron the Wise (grandson of Warren I) that changed the succession law to be primogenitor (eldest child of that dynasty), which is probably what made him wise in the first place.

It certainly seems that the early kings of the Hugh dynasty were killed off in various accidents and plots that were likely backed or orchestrated by cantrev lords that wanted their favoured candidate to be High King (so he could reward them).

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Originally posted by Gary Dallison




The clan rule of Scotland is only well detailed by the time England gets involved and brings along the more familiar noble feudal system which I'm hoping to avoid as that seems more like callidyrr where you have noble lords dividing up the land and clans ruling that land for them operating as sheriff's and tax collectors and police.

I'm hoping to come up with a system just prior to the middle ages but with a king. I figure the clans are like mafia families (But nicer). However it is the king to clan relationship that is bothersome. If a king grants landed titles to someone they immediately become noble and you have the problem of inheritance and permanent ownership.

I'm trying to imagine something more fluid whereby the ownership comes purely from staking a claim to that land and providing the necessary tithe and tribute to the king. That way another clan can muscle in if he can enforce protection from the inhabitants and pay the tithe and tribute to the king. This sometimes results in tithes being paid double for the same region and two clans claiming ownership of the same land but that is costly and cannot continue for long.

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