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Plaguescarred
Learned Scribe
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
 Posted - 18 Aug 2014 : 04:20:46
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| Thank you very much. I'll be watching these babies tomorrow! :) |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
789 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2014 : 07:38:23
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| Anything of note said in them? |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2014 : 22:05:00
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| Still listening to this panel. Good stuff. :) |
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2014 : 04:23:19
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| In the second, there's a clarification of the prospect for fiction set before the current timeline: they aren't against it in principle, but for a while the slots are taken up by books tying into Tyranny of Dragons and its successors. |
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hobbitfan
Learned Scribe
USA
164 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2014 : 04:48:36
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I'm really glad the Tome show people put these up. It makes for interesting listening...the news about the Minsk comic was new to me and I'm excited for that!
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Aug 2014 : 07:40:04
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| Going to ask to ahve someone tell me what was said it them. Dont have the patience to sit through that... |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
http://steelfiredragon.deviantart.com/gallery/33539234 |
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
246 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2014 : 15:06:09
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Originally posted by Faraer
In the second, there's a clarification of the prospect for fiction set before the current timeline: they aren't against it in principle, but for a while the slots are taken up by books tying into Tyranny of Dragons and its successors.
So they do intend to publish novels tied to Tyranny of Dragons and other big adventures? Great! |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2014 : 16:31:23
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| From what I understand, they already have ideas or plans for the next adventure line after Tyranny. I would assume due to development lead time, it's already being designed. |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2014 : 16:43:05
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| Correct, Kobold Press (specifically Wolfgang Baur and Steve Winter) are working to complete the next adventure (it may already be done, actually). |
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
246 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2014 : 23:04:53
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Originally posted by Matt James
Correct, Kobold Press (specifically Wolfgang Baur and Steve Winter) are working to complete the next adventure (it may already be done, actually).
I bet the main antagonists are going to be either drow or fiends. If that's the case, I really wish it will be the latter. Or the Zhentarim. Drow had their day in the City of the Spider Queen adventure and the six-book War of the Spider Queen series, and now Salvatore has brought them back as the main antagonists of his series. For me, that's quite enough.
On the other hand, Salvatore's series might be used as the prelude to a drow-themed adventure... |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2014 : 23:19:59
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Originally posted by Krafus
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Originally posted by Matt James
Correct, Kobold Press (specifically Wolfgang Baur and Steve Winter) are working to complete the next adventure (it may already be done, actually).
I bet the main antagonists are going to be either drow or fiends. If that's the case, I really wish it will be the latter. Or the Zhentarim. Drow had their day in the City of the Spider Queen adventure and the six-book War of the Spider Queen series, and now Salvatore has brought them back as the main antagonists of his series. For me, that's quite enough.
On the other hand, Salvatore's series might be used as the prelude to a drow-themed adventure...
Not to mention that they got that Rise of the Underdark thingy in 4e. On the other hand, if a drow adventure is used as a way to get Eilistraee, Vhaeraun and the Dark Seldarine back in action, then I'm all for it. Those deities and their followers got trashed and then completely ignored since then, and it's a total waste. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 00:45:59
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| I'm hoping (and guessing) the next adventure line is in the Cormyr/Dales to Moonsea area. Wouldn't mind seeing The Vast either though. I'd like to see them cover entirely new geographical areas with each line. I'm a sucker for an orc horde, so maybe The North might be a fun one too. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 00:50:35
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Krafus
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Originally posted by Matt James
Correct, Kobold Press (specifically Wolfgang Baur and Steve Winter) are working to complete the next adventure (it may already be done, actually).
I bet the main antagonists are going to be either drow or fiends. If that's the case, I really wish it will be the latter. Or the Zhentarim. Drow had their day in the City of the Spider Queen adventure and the six-book War of the Spider Queen series, and now Salvatore has brought them back as the main antagonists of his series. For me, that's quite enough.
On the other hand, Salvatore's series might be used as the prelude to a drow-themed adventure...
Not to mention that they got that Rise of the Underdark thingy in 4e. On the other hand, if a drow adventure is used as a way to get Eilistraee, Vhaeraun and the Dark Seldarine back in action, then I'm all for it. Those deities and their followers got trashed and then completely ignored since then, and it's a total waste.
As long as we see a city or cities we haven't been to before. With the gods supposedly coming back, makes a person wonder if Zinzerena is back. If I recall Lolth supposedly slew or drove her away at one point. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 01:01:19
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Lolth killed her during the Avatar Crisis IIRC. I wouldn't mind her back (even tho they didn't really do anything with her. Ibrandul has got very little too and even he is on his way back), but -IMO- E&V, the two deities at the core of the DS with Lolth, should be back in action before her (and the faction system would work perfectly with those two opposing their mother). Selvetarm could make for interesting plots too, if not loyal to Lolth.
Anyway, OT. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 05:58:23
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| I'm with you on Eilistraee--and Vhaeraun, for that matter. I wouldn't mind seeing more drow stories, as I like drow. I just don't want them to be all Lolthites. I want to see some Es and Vs again. I'll watch these videos in a day so. I'm too tired right now. |
Sweet water and light laughter |
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
246 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 14:45:35
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Hmm. Now that I think on it, I wouldn't mind seeing a massive drow-themed adventure that focused on the return of the other drow deities, and/or Lolth finally getting several well-deserved kicks to her rear end.
In any case, I hope the next big adventure is set somewhere other than the North, the Sword Coast, Cormyr or the Dales. I understand that those areas are popular, but I'd love to explore new places in a big adventure. It seems to me that other regions of the Realms are in a catch-22 situation: they don't get featured as much as the regions I listed because they're not as popular, but how can they become popular if they don't get much exposure? IMO a good way to improve the popularity of a heretofore little-featured region would be to feature it in a big adventure that lots of people will play and hopefully have fond memories of. |
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rapunzel77
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 16:40:58
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I'm with you on Eilistraee--and Vhaeraun, for that matter. I wouldn't mind seeing more drow stories, as I like drow. I just don't want them to be all Lolthites. I want to see some Es and Vs again. I'll watch these videos in a day so. I'm too tired right now.
I agree. I enjoy reading Drow stories but it is a bit boring to have all of them be Lolthites. They seem too one note. I want to see Eilistraee and Vhaeraun come back. Having more depth and variety of drow is more fun. It just doesn't make sense for ALL of them to be evil (with the exception of Drizzt). Its just not fun. I like a struggle within the society and a good way to do that is to introduce characters who are not necessarily evil (ie. they actually have a heart and a conscience) but struggle with the society (like Zaknafein for instance who was not actually evil or even Jarlaxle who I don't consider completely evil). Hopefully we can get more stories like that and I definitely agree that Lolth needs to be cut down to size. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 16:42:42
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Sweet water and light laughter |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
1882 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 18:20:14
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I like drow. I'm working on two drow characters who worship the Masked Lady. But I think the drow have received enough coverage over the years. I'd like to see dwarves and (especially) gnomes and halflings covered a bit more. Tbh, I actually prefer drow to remain the stuff of nightmares they once were in the old 1e days of the game/setting.
I also want to see more coverage outside the North & Waterdeep, Cormyr & the Dales, and the Sword Coast. Bring me more Thay, Chessenta, Unther, Mulhorand, Amn, Tethyr, Calimshan, Border Kingdoms, a returned Luiren, Halruaa and Nimbral etcetcetcetcetc. I'm in total agreement with Krafus. |
I have a dream that one day, all game worlds will exist as one. |
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rapunzel77
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 18:30:41
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
I like drow. I'm working on two drow characters who worship the Masked Lady. But I think the drow have received enough coverage over the years. I'd like to see dwarves and (especially) gnomes and halflings covered a bit more. Tbh, I actually prefer drow to remain the stuff of nightmares they once were in the old 1e days of the game/setting.
I also want to see more coverage outside the North & Waterdeep, Cormyr & the Dales, and the Sword Coast. Bring me more Thay, Chessenta, Unther, Mulhorand, Amn, Tethyr, Calimshan, Border Kingdoms, a returned Luiren, Halruaa and Nimbral etcetcetcetcetc. I'm in total agreement with Krafus.
I'd love to see more coverage of these other lands as well. I guess its because I have approached the Forgotten Realms through the novels (I haven't had the chance to play the game) so I'm seeing it from a literary perspective. Perhaps this is more of a both/and situation ie. have more coverage of other lands and peoples (I would enjoy that) and give the Drow more depth. Since we have more detail about them due to Drizzt, etc it is more difficult for them to go back to being nightmares. I'd prefer an internal struggle for freedom/justice for the oppressed, etc and a variety of drow. If they are to be considered a race with free will then it makes more sense for them to have choices and a variety of alignments. If one wants them to be just monsters then I understand depicting them as the stuff of nightmares. Both/and would be good though which also brings up the issue concerning source books and novels. More authors would help bring these other lands and peoples to light. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 18:33:36
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
I like drow. I'm working on two drow characters who worship the Masked Lady. But I think the drow have received enough coverage over the years. I'd like to see dwarves and (especially) gnomes and halflings covered a bit more. Tbh, I actually prefer drow to remain the stuff of nightmares they once were in the old 1e days of the game/setting.
I also want to see more coverage outside the North & Waterdeep, Cormyr & the Dales, and the Sword Coast. Bring me more Thay, Chessenta, Unther, Mulhorand, Amn, Tethyr, Calimshan, Border Kingdoms, a returned Luiren, Halruaa and Nimbral etcetcetcetcetc. I'm in total agreement with Krafus.
I think most people want to see new areas/cities covered. However, that doesn't mean that drow should stay the parodical, one-note ''ebil'' race that they are now. Eilistraee and Vhaeraun have been part of the Realmsian drow since the beginning (Eilistraee -at least, maybe Vhaeraun too- was part of Ed's Realms even before TSR commissioned such a deity), they are iconic to the dark elves in this setting and greatly enrich them.
Now, I'm not saying that WotC should focus on the drow or anything, but something to show E&V's returning and their followers acting again -even diminished in influence- is needed. They made such a mess just to get rid of those two to fit their design stance and then completely ignored them, it's basically if as they never existed beyond the fact of being defeated by Lolth.
Also, drow can no longer be ''mysterious'' as in the past. They have been explored in most aspects, if anything E&V would add needed mystery and variety to them (and they wouldn't even require Lolth or 'classic' drow to be featured, as their goal/actions are also aimed towards dark elves creating their place in the world)...
EDIT: yeah, basically what Rapunzel said |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 20 Aug 2014 18:39:28 |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 18:43:58
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| I am also with Repunzel (I too mainly read the novels), and Irennan. |
Sweet water and light laughter |
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rapunzel77
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 18:49:31
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| Exactly Irennan. Perhaps part of the problem is that any novel/adventure with Drow inevitably focuses on the nobles. There is only one character I read about that wasn't a noble although he ended up a Master of Melee Magthere named Ryld. He had a different perspective on Drow life and an interesting background. Unfortunately, the poor guy was killed along with another fun character (Pharaun, although he was a noble) which was a wasted opportunity. So it is possible that the constant focus on the nobility has limited the kinds of stories/adventures one could have with the Drow, thus making them more boring for some. Perhaps a shift in focus to the commoners, the Vhaeraunites, and Eilistraens could add extra variety of stories in addition to having more adventures/novels set in other parts of Faerun. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 18:55:33
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| I loved Ryld and Phaeraun. Poor guy got the short end of the stick. He was brought back in a follow-up seeies, only to be killed again. I would love to see more Valas Hune, too. |
Sweet water and light laughter |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 19:25:41
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| I don't know about Ryld, but it is entirely possible Phaeraun was raised/resurrected. If you recall the last you hear of him is that what remains of him is being gathered up for some purpose. Now, its just as likely that the purpose was something else - but why not bring back a fun character :) |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 19:28:37
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Originally posted by Faraer
In the second, there's a clarification of the prospect for fiction set before the current timeline: they aren't against it in principle, but for a while the slots are taken up by books tying into Tyranny of Dragons and its successors.
I for one hope they quickly move from "aren't against it in principle" to very much in favor of it. Almost all of the Realms' characters that had a story arc of more than one novel were just cut off. I'd love to see more of my old favorites in print. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2014 : 19:33:14
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
I don't know about Ryld, but it is entirely possible Phaeraun was raised/resurrected. If you recall the last you hear of him is that what remains of him is being gathered up for some purpose. Now, its just as likely that the purpose was something else - but why not bring back a fun character :)
He was resurrected in the Empryean Odyssey, but then was killed again, in a rather anticlimactic way, IMO. I don't remember pieces of him being gathered for a purpose, unless you count his finger Aliiza had, which she used to resurrect him. |
Sweet water and light laughter |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2014 : 22:31:28
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| Hmm, well the Elder Elemental Eye is Ghaunadaur in the Realms so maybe it won't be so bad. I know it was a classic, but it was a little bit before my time and I never did get into the Temple of Elemental Evil. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2014 : 22:35:57
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My complaint is that these adventures seem to be written following a fixed script: Some madmen are trying to use a number of artifacts to bring forth some ancient evil that will destroy the world. Adventurers must steal the artifacts and kill them.
Nonetheless, since the Promenade was built to stop Ghaunadaur in his attempt to invade Toril from the Undermountain, maybe we'll get to see Eilistraeens in action, or more about the deeper levels of the dungeon. However I very much doubt it. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 22 Aug 2014 22:41:06 |
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Forgotten Realms Panel 1 & 2 (GenCon 2014)
