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hobbitfan
Learned Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 26 Jun 2014 : 02:28:57
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In the Sundering novel line, it looks like the authors were trying to fix the damage of the 4E mistakes and bring the Realms closer to the original grey box experience. At least, that's what their comments seem to indicate.
Has WOTC committed to the same thing on the RPG side?
I've been doing alot of research the last month or so and I can't find any clear indication of what WOTC plans to do or when they plan on doing it.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 26 Jun 2014 : 03:01:43
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I suspect more will be revealed at GEN-CON re the 5th Ed. iteration of the Realms.
The chances however of the dragons/drow/gods RSE cycle slowing down or WotC moving to a different product model for the Realms is likely zero however. That's what they know and what they are convinced sells.
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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hobbitfan
Learned Scribe
USA
164 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2014 : 09:05:20
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I'm apprehensive becuase we haven't heard anything substantive. Yet, I know. Information should be forthcoming.
I get worried because of what went down with 4E. It's hard for me to trust WOTC now.
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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hobbitfan
Learned Scribe
USA
164 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2014 : 09:40:35
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I honestly don't have enough information to make an informed decision.
edit: That's why I've been posting stuff here and at ENWORLD. I'm trying to find out what's going on. |
Edited by - hobbitfan on 26 Jun 2014 09:41:52 |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Jun 2014 : 09:50:32
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| Take what dazzler says with a pinch of salt. There aren't enough details out for 5E yet but Ed Greenwood is happy and that's good enough for most of us. Considering the first products will be released in under two months, WotC have been surprisingly reticent to release details or previews of the new content. My advice would be to wait for it to come out, see what people who've bought it are saying and make an informed decision based on that. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 01:43:42
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| Don't worry Dazzlerdal, being bitter and twisted on the internet means your in large and great company ;p |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 02:21:37
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| I have not seen WotC even saying there were 4th Edition mistakes, just that things are changing again. here again I have not been watching much either. What I have seen though is that the 4th Edition invasion remains, new races and other minor details. Of course we do know that some dead deities are not that so much dead. As they are calling it now D&D Next (With part of it Called Basic D&D) we have yet to see what 5th Edition will offer. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 07:45:44
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| With a host of preview material they've been leaking AND a somewhat consistent trend set by the Playtests, It's pretty obvious how the game's mechanics will turn out. As for the Realms in 5E, I believe the Sundering Novels are all what people really know about the changes. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 08:31:54
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| I will only say that WotC has made a step in the right direction. How many steps they will take remains to be seen. |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 15:42:46
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
I will only say that WotC has made a step in the right direction. How many steps they will take remains to be seen.
My fellow scribe said it best. The Sundering novels set the stage with the right chess pieces moving, whether they continue to pursue a successful game or not remains to be seen, but the outlook is optimistic (to me.) Ed is very excited about the way things are going, which is a good indicator to me. |
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Tarlyn
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 16:17:11
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You can see hints of the new setting in the 5 published adventures (Murder in Baldur Gate, Legacy of the Crystal Shard, Scourge of the Sword Coast, Dead in Thay and Ghosts of dragonspear castle). Also, the starter set is going to be based in the Realms. So, currently counting the sundering novels there are 11 products set in FR. Also, the upcoming Tyranny of Dragons (2 adventures) and one of the example towns in the DMG will be set in FR. So, there is already a fair amount of material designed for the sundering/ post sundering era.
I would say that those products show a significant change in direction. Is it good enough? It is still hard to tell, but I am at least enjoying the lead material for 5e FR. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 17:08:33
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The sad thing about the dragons is that the whole thing is about Bahamut, Tiamat, Bahamut, Tiamat, Bahamut, Tiamat, ad nauseam.
What happened to the other dragon gods? Are Falazure and Aasterinian getting drunk in a bar in the Outlands somewhere, wistfully musing about better days? |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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4448 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 21:35:26
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Originally posted by LordofBones
The sad thing about the dragons is that the whole thing is about Bahamut, Tiamat, Bahamut, Tiamat, Bahamut, Tiamat, ad nauseam.
What happened to the other dragon gods? Are Falazure and Aasterinian getting drunk in a bar in the Outlands somewhere, wistfully musing about better days?
Well in the last Dungeon e-zine published for DDI there was an adventure that incorporated Orcs who were following a Black Dragon who called himself a "chosen" of Falazure. So from the looks of it at least he's still around. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 21:48:55
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Originally posted by LordofBones
The sad thing about the dragons is that the whole thing is about Bahamut, Tiamat, Bahamut, Tiamat, Bahamut, Tiamat, ad nauseam.
What happened to the other dragon gods? Are Falazure and Aasterinian getting drunk in a bar in the Outlands somewhere, wistfully musing about better days?
Of course it's all about them. They're the big dogs in the draconic pantheon. You don't wind up with huge conflicts centered around a deity of tableware and ale mugs. |
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 22:35:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by LordofBones
The sad thing about the dragons is that the whole thing is about Bahamut, Tiamat, Bahamut, Tiamat, Bahamut, Tiamat, ad nauseam.
What happened to the other dragon gods? Are Falazure and Aasterinian getting drunk in a bar in the Outlands somewhere, wistfully musing about better days?
Of course it's all about them. They're the big dogs in the draconic pantheon. You don't wind up with huge conflicts centered around a deity of tableware and ale mugs.
I'd love to see Garyx get a mention. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
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hobbitfan
Learned Scribe
USA
164 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2014 : 08:49:30
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One thing that I can't quite puzzle out in my head...WOTC has been pretty good recently about admitting their mistakes with 4E and reaching out to fans (old and new).
With the exception of the Sundering PR, I don't see any "outreach" attempt being made to FR fans.
Why is this?
It's very peculiar to have WOTc saying, basically "We know we messed up. We're gonna fix the game. Trust us and play 5E."
But they won't address publicly how they are going to fix the Realms AND repair the damaged relationship with Realms fans.
It seems like this is something WOTC should be talking to people about.
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Jun 2014 : 09:39:29
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| What, exactly, should they be doing? |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 28 Jun 2014 : 11:30:05
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| Well not all of us hated 4e you know. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Jun 2014 : 13:34:03
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Originally posted by Thauranil
Well not all of us hated 4e you know.
I, for one, was a pretty big fan of the changes they made and felt it brought a new perspective for the Realms. YMMV |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 28 Jun 2014 : 14:29:00
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Originally posted by hobbitfan
One thing that I can't quite puzzle out in my head...WOTC has been pretty good recently about admitting their mistakes with 4E and reaching out to fans (old and new).
With the exception of the Sundering PR, I don't see any "outreach" attempt being made to FR fans.
Why is this?
It's very peculiar to have WOTc saying, basically "We know we messed up. We're gonna fix the game. Trust us and play 5E."
But they won't address publicly how they are going to fix the Realms AND repair the damaged relationship with Realms fans.
It seems like this is something WOTC should be talking to people about.
Maybe that's because they're still in the process of deciding everything... And/or maybe they are not going to talk about the 5E Realms until there is actually a scheduled release date. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Jun 2014 : 14:29:42
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I don't see any "changes". The word that describes it is "replacement". I doubt anyone would object if they did this floating mushroom kingdom as a new setting, even if they'd poach Realms and everything else for "cool words" again, like Eberron. 
But seeing the level of "creativity" to which it descended from 3.5e, no wonder... |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 29 Jun 2014 : 11:27:08
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Gary Dallison
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Jun 2014 : 16:58:25
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| Um.....no. Sorry but the changes are canon and people will just have to come to terms with that. Like it or not, its staying. Best to move on and keep playing what makes you happy. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Jun 2014 : 18:45:52
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
Im not entirely sure I understood tbeholder
Don't think too hard on it, because he's trolling.
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
...but if he was suggesting make the 4e and 5e a separate product from the real realms then that's an excellent idea.
Oy ve!
Me? I'm looking forward to the 5E Realms. Whenever Ed has a chance to overwrite for new editions of the Realms (and it would seem like he's doing just that), then good things happen.
FWIW, I understand that there are fans that are forever going to view the older Realms as the "real" Realms, but by now it should be obvious WotC isn't going back.
That, and when the idea is put out there that the most current version of the Realms isn't legitimate, doubt is sewn in the minds of potential/budding fans of the setting.
Short of WotC cancelling 5E and storing D&D and the Realms on a soon-to-be-dusty shelf for a few decades, I can't think of a better way to curtail the setting and hurt its growth.
Given how small the market for tabletop RPGs is relative to MMOs, etc., why make it that much harder for it to succeed? |
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Gary Dallison
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Jun 2014 : 20:04:50
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dazzlerdal Clearly that is a problem. If Ed can somehow heal the Realms to draw enough back the product continues. It clearly does have a few 4th Edition fans as far as it goes. Rare to see them here, however I have seen them.
In the end hasbro will need to decide if they want control and ownership of WotC based on performance or to let it go to people that just want to pay the bills and nice if there is a little extra (Which is my impression that WotC did by buying TSR, when they were not purchased by Hasbro).
There is no way the Realms or D&D will exist if it does not pay the bills. Reason TSR was in so much problem was because they could not pay the bills. |
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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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