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CorellonsDevout
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 Posted - 15 Sep 2014 : 05:32:10
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I think a number of elves survived the attack on Myth Drannor, but the city still got at least partially destroyed. It was only around for a hundred years or so, only to get destroyed again. Even if it is only partially destroyed, it kind of nullified the Last Mythal books, IMO. I know the elves can rebuild, and will...again.
I took liked Shade as an enemy, though they were far more intimidating in previous books than they were in this one.
Also...what about the ghost of Alusair? She was a real presence in the previous Sage of Shadowdale books, but she wasn't in the Herald at all. |
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
508 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2014 : 18:29:50
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Originally posted by BenN
Most of them are alive IIRC; only Dove died in the novel.
Nah, with Dove gone most of them are now dead.
Syluné has been dead for a long while.
Qilué died in the events concerning the Lady Penitent series.
The Simbul died recently in Elminster Enraged.
And Dove died now. |
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Sep 2014 : 18:37:54
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
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Originally posted by BenN
Most of them are alive IIRC; only Dove died in the novel.
Nah, with Dove gone most of them are now dead.
Syluné has been dead for a long while.
Qilué died in the events concerning the Lady Penitent series.
The Simbul died recently in Elminster's Rage.
And Dove died now.
I haven't been able to keep up with the novels in a while. Would you mind letting me know how The Simbul died? You can PM me if you'd prefer not to say here. |
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Aulduron
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 Oct 2014 : 20:28:31
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I didn't like the destruction of Myth Drannor. I thought the Shadovar were too powerful.
What was the point of Amarune and Delcastle? They really seemed to serve no purpose.
I think Areavin should have at least been mentioned, if not shown. I understand that he left the city, but it was stated that he could feel any attack on the mythal, no matter where he was. |
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BenN
Senior Scribe
Japan
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Posted - 10 Oct 2014 : 03:33:00
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Originally posted by Aulduron
What was the point of Amarune and Delcastle? They really seemed to serve no purpose.
Yeah, that's a good point! They helped (a bit) in defending Myth Drannor, but Storm sent them away again when she realized how futile (and fatal) it was. Most of the Chosen were there anyway, so having an extra pair of (relatively ordinary) humans there didn't make any difference at all.
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I think Areavin should have at least been mentioned, if not shown. I understand that he left the city, but it was stated that he could feel any attack on the mythal, no matter where he was.
Another good point. You would have thought that he would be one of the first people that the Coronal would ask help from; although, who knows if he's still alive in this timeline?
I think it would also have been good if other characters from the Last Mythal series had a mention, especially some of the elven sub-commanders such as Jerreda Starcloak and Edraele Muirreste. If they were in Myth Drannor at the time (i.e. hadn't returned to Evermeet), presumably they would have played prominent roles in the defence.
Another thing that I thought was a bit weird was that Myth Drannor's mythal prevented any of the combatants from using missile weapons. I get how this would be useful in hampering the enemy, but it surely hampered the elves even more; bows are after all an elven speciality, and of course its better to attack your foes from a distance - especially if you want to use hit & run tactics, and you're heavily outnumbered & physically not as robust. |
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Chronthalas
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Posted - 06 Dec 2014 : 21:15:47
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I have to post another complaint about the book. It didn't feel like war was coming to Myth Drannor, more like small skirmishes happening here and there. Maybe because the mercenary army felt like such a nondescript clone army the battles didn't seem very important. In one instance Storm comes upon hundreds of troops led by a Shadovar arcanist with two half-orc or half-giant bodyguards. Having recently read and being spoiled by the melee narration from the latest Salvatore novel, in my mind I thought this will certainly pose some major problems!
But instead of a lengthy battle sequence full of thrills I get about five chops with a sword, a Shadovar and two big bodyguards dead, and an army fleeing.
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Dec 2014 : 14:08:36
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
For those who lament the defeat of Telemont, he's only dead in this book. This is D&D so there is no reason you can't bring him back.
I'm not upset over Telamont's death.
I'm upset that Telamont went from being a genuinely competent and terrifying villain to someone whose sole reason for appearing was to show off how l33t Elminster is.
And Larloch, just Larloch. He can't possibly be any worse than Mystra as a deity of magic; hell, Midnight had no qualifications when she ascended, while Larloch hailed from a magocracy, ruled in a magocracy and spent over a thousand years simply researching magic and new spells. He's more qualified than anyone else.
I'm thinking the Chosen and Mystra need to go away for a while and let the other gods of magic and their clergies get the limelight for a bit. I'd love to read more about the clergies of Azuth, Savras and Velsharoon instead of more on Mystra and her Merry Men. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Dec 2014 : 20:17:32
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And Larloch, just Larloch. He can't possibly be any worse than Mystra as a deity of magic; hell, Midnight had no qualifications when she ascended, while Larloch hailed from a magocracy, ruled in a magocracy and spent over a thousand years simply researching magic and new spells. He's more qualified than anyone else.
Midnight was prepared by Mystra to be able to take on the mantle of godhood and after he ascension El allowed her to tap his mind to learn MANY things. As was stated in the novel this happened in, Midnight became OLD overnight. And whether or not Larloch would be more qualified than Mystra is a matter of debate.
I would like less focus on the Chosen (even though I really like them) as well. And a focus on Azuth's clergy would be nice. If anyone could/should take up the mantle of god all of all magic I think it should be him. Assuming Mystra is ever 'killed' again. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 22 Dec 2014 : 20:54:12
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Austin the Archmage
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 25 Dec 2014 : 03:20:27
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I'm thinking we're going to see more Azuth in 2015.
What makes you say that? Didn't Asmodeus like, eat him or something? |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Dec 2014 : 05:18:16
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
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And Larloch, just Larloch. He can't possibly be any worse than Mystra as a deity of magic; hell, Midnight had no qualifications when she ascended, while Larloch hailed from a magocracy, ruled in a magocracy and spent over a thousand years simply researching magic and new spells. He's more qualified than anyone else.
Midnight was prepared by Mystra to be able to take on the mantle of godhood and after he ascension El allowed her to tap his mind to learn MANY things. As was stated in the novel this happened in, Midnight became OLD overnight. And whether or not Larloch would be more qualified than Mystra is a matter of debate.
And then she ended up getting censured by the Greater Powers, so it seems like she's learned nothing. Honestly, Midnight would be more relatable a deity if she was indeed struggling with the remnants of her previous mortality and her current divinity, perhaps with conversations between the new goddess and her court, all of whom are ascended mortals. Perhaps there's schism between the Chosen, since Midnight doesn't have the closeness the original had to them. Perhaps there's a schism between Mid and Kel, due to Midnight throwing her backing behind Velsharoon. Hell, a scene with Midnight meeting Larloch would have been fun to see, if only for some character development for Larloch and Midnight.
Even the previous Mystra didn't exactly live up to her fluff text either, from being a LN deity and best buds with Wee Jas to Ed Greenwood's interpretation of her. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Nov 2020 : 23:14:34
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| Just finished this one myself and it was decent for a Greenwood novel, but all of the page time for Manshoon, Mirt, Storm, Amarune and Arclath felt like a complete waste of time. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Nov 2020 : 05:58:38
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Great Reader Artemas Entreri,
Sadly, the big boys and girls get a lot of time over the regular scrubs. I know I am about to board the one way heresy train to hell here, but the Drizz't thing has become a bit much as well as I think some people agree.
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My review of the Herald *spoilers*
