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Berkthgar
Learned Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 04 Jun 2014 : 07:11:35
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Would you ever want to be bit by a vampire?
Or a sewer rat from calimport( forgot the term). Like a wererat ?
Or would you rather live as a lich?
Please ,if there is an option you do not see,please say it
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Jun 2014 : 01:08:29
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How does this compare? Given that being bitten by a vampire is said to feel good... and can be done repeatedly after a little rest...  |
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Berkthgar
Learned Scribe
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2014 : 05:51:56
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Well you'd live with an unearthly taste for blood you can never satiate. Plus you would not be able to live in a town that has a mage or learned person around.
Bit if you got bit by accident I'm sure the village would accommodate you in quarantine |
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eeorey
Seeker
Bulgaria
96 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2014 : 13:19:01
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Well the wererat is off, I just plain don't like them. I mean they were all portrayed as small time crooks living in the sewers.
Vampire would be cool if you go to the underdark whilst being one, no sun no downside to being a vampire. And if you are significantly skilled with magic you can infiltrate some subterranean society like a drow or a duergar city (not the part of the city where the learned, magically skilled people live, but most likely the poor one) and hunt them and basically do what you want.
A lich i don't like for obvious reasons. YOU ARE A CORPSE! At least as a vampire you only look slightly corpse-ish, not all the way to rotting.
So, I'll have to go with the vampire, you can appear somewhat normal and there are places where you wouldn't have to worry about the sun. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11808 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2014 : 13:22:25
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| Can't I just steal the body of someone younger and hotter than me every 30 years, then go on a wild spree of fornication? |
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eeorey
Seeker
Bulgaria
96 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2014 : 13:38:30
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Can't I just steal the body of someone younger and hotter than me every 30 years, then go on a wild spree of fornication?
Yes if you're a psion you can basically jump from body do body with mind-switch. |
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Berkthgar
Learned Scribe
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2014 : 03:08:35
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Can't I just steal the body of someone younger and hotter than me every 30 years, then go on a wild spree of fornication?
On the topic of hot lasses, do you think Wulgar really loved Deli? |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
2421 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2014 : 05:56:39
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Originally posted by khanio07
Well you'd live with an unearthly taste for blood you can never satiate. Plus you would not be able to live in a town that has a mage or learned person around.
It's not "From Dusk till Dawn" or something. Any survived bite is ultimately harmless, given time to recover. Which is more than can be said about rats. 
Conversely, "mindlink high" version is used, though not as much as in, say, "Eerie Cuties".
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Bit if you got bit by accident I'm sure the village would accommodate you in quarantine
Well, not Lathanderites. 
Though IIRC there was a vampire innkeeper somewhere in Realms whom ship captains and suchlike covered and occasionally fed, because she's a good innkeeper and nice about it, and it's kinda cool without hangover, and why not. But those are more of Selunites, obviously. |
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Neo2151
Learned Scribe
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2014 : 08:02:38
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Lich, no questions about it.
First off, no one wants to be a wererat. lol
As for Vampires, you aren't clear enough about what type of vampire. Are we talking about WoD vampires? Nosferatu? Bram Stoker? Twilight? 30 Days of Night? I Am Legend?
And no matter what the answer, you're stuck with a hunger you can't really control that will totally override your sense of self-control and put you into harms way all the time.
Meanwhile, if I'm a lich, it's assumed I must be an incredibly powerful spellcaster (how else did I become a lich, amirite?) and with being a really powerful spellcaster comes the ability to deal with that whole, "I'm a walking rotting corpse" thing with ease (Szass Tam doesn't have a problem blending in when he wants/needs to, for example!)
Also, no real drawbacks. Even your one weakness (phylactary) is a strength (it rebuilds your body if you're destroyed!) |
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Xar Zarath
Senior Scribe
Malaysia
552 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2014 : 15:41:44
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| If becoming a lich meant I get to learn wizardry and magic, I am all for it! |
Everything ends where it begins. Period.
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eeorey
Seeker
Bulgaria
96 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2014 : 17:26:30
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Originally posted by Xar Zarath
If becoming a lich meant I get to learn wizardry and magic, I am all for it!
But it's entirely the other way around, you'll have to spend your life (the one before becoming a lich) studying magic and what not in order to become one. Where as you can be a vampire or a were-justaboutanything and than study magic at your own pace if your a vampire.
Also how exactly does a mage lich him or herself, I don't think I've ever seen it explained? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36797 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2014 : 21:34:07
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Originally posted by khanio07
Would you ever want to be bit by a vampire?
Nope. I like my vampires old school, like Dracula, and would not want to be condemned to living off of others.
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Originally posted by khanio07
Or a sewer rat from calimport( forgot the term). Like a wererat ?
Wererats are nasty, dirty critters. I wouldn't want to be one, especially not if it was thru infection.
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Originally posted by khanio07
Or would you rather live as a lich?
Liches are dead, so you can't live as one... That aside, I don't see the appeal in watching everyone and everything I've ever known die or fade away, especially not while trapped in a decaying body that was eventually -- even if it took centuries -- going to collapse into dust. As I have previously quipped, I don't want to get to the point of worrying about my fingers falling off.
I also don't see any appeal in removing the need to sleep or the ability to enjoy a good meal, and I certainly don't see the appeal in having a non-existent love life for centuries.
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Originally posted by khanio07
Please ,if there is an option you do not see,please say it
An option for what? I'm not sure what it is you're even asking about, here -- two options are for eternal undeath, while the third is for a miserable lifetime. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 06 Jun 2014 21:44:10 |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 06 Jun 2014 : 22:38:34
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Given the three options presented in the OP ...
I would break the mode of conformity and opt to be bit by a were-rat, especially if she was cute. Ever checkout the rat-tailed tiefling from Planescape: Torment?
Unlike the other two OP afflictions, lycanthropy (therionthropy?) can be fully and easily cured. Who would ever wanna suffer from a lich bite?
If the question is actually about achieving immortality, then I would strive to become a Chosen of Selune, methinks. A whole plethora of lycanthropic forms to choose, most of which are more pleasing than rats. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36797 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2014 : 23:11:55
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Originally posted by Ayrik
If the question is actually about achieving immortality, then I would strive to become a Chosen of Selune, methinks. A whole plethora of lycanthropic forms to choose, most of which are more pleasing than rats.
Oooh, good call, there! |
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Neo2151
Learned Scribe
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 02:49:48
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| But... since when are lycanthropes immortal? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36797 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 04:40:14
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Originally posted by Neo2151
But... since when are lycanthropes immortal?
It's the Chosen aspect that would cover the immortality. The controlled lycanthropy would be a bonus. |
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Neo2151
Learned Scribe
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 09:17:45
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| But chosen aren't immortal either. Elminster was even starting to really feel his age even before the time skip, after all. ;) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36797 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 10:57:17
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Originally posted by Neo2151
But chosen aren't immortal either. Elminster was even starting to really feel his age even before the time skip, after all. ;)
Mystra's Chosen are immortal. |
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Neo2151
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 11:04:12
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Mystra's Chosen are immortal.
Source? (If I'm wrong, that's fine. It's just not the way I understand it based on what I remember reading.) |
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Berkthgar
Learned Scribe
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 15:57:04
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SPOILER!
To the nine hell's with mystra, I'd rather be favored by lloth. Chaos makes everything fun! Mystra or Caitlin was just a peasant girl. Mother of all magic, hah! Get a couple of powerful Mages and you could destroy her.
Lloth can get me immortality. Matron beanre lived long , even for a drow, she just fell out of favor and bruenor killed her. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4436 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 16:11:11
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| I'd choose Vampire |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3805 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 16:22:45
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| What's the point of this? Immortality? Meh. If you die in the Realms, you'll just get another body anyway and go 'live' in some outer plane. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36797 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 23:52:00
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Originally posted by Neo2151
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Mystra's Chosen are immortal.
Source? (If I'm wrong, that's fine. It's just not the way I understand it based on what I remember reading.)
Page 10 of The Seven Sisters: "Death from natural causes becomes impossible." |
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Wooly Rupert
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USA
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Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 23:53:41
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Originally posted by Irennan
What's the point of this? Immortality? Meh. If you die in the Realms, you'll just get another body anyway and go 'live' in some outer plane.
Wererats aren't immortal, which is why I'm also wondering about the objective...
Liches technically aren't immortal, either, since their bodies will eventually break down. It just takes a seriously long time. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 08 Jun 2014 : 02:25:08
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Maybe the OP question was what is coolest evil subtype? Thus the option requested for other ideas besides the three options offer was included.
Of the three options, I would select non. As for something else , I can not offer an idea because I do not know the theme the OP wants.
The theme of immortality, never die from natural causes, does not apply to cover the three options. Vampires die from sunburn, a lich needs by magic to die and transfer soul and wererats die of old age (if nothing else). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36797 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2014 : 04:44:46
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Maybe the OP question was what is coolest evil subtype? Thus the option requested for other ideas besides the three options offer was included.
Of the three options, I would select non. As for something else , I can not offer an idea because I do not know the theme the OP wants.
The theme of immortality, never die from natural causes, does not apply to cover the three options. Vampires die from sunburn, a lich needs by magic to die and transfer soul and wererats die of old age (if nothing else).
Well, barring mishaps and assuming a steady supply of blood, a vampire would be around forever. They are immortal... Liches will only stick around for half of forever before fading to dust and becoming demiliches.
But yeah, that aside, wererats don't even have an extended lifespan, much less the potential to be around for centuries. And they lack the inherent sexiness of vampires, too (because even before the glittery ones, vampires have long been depicted as sensual beings). |
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Plaguescarred
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 08 Jun 2014 : 09:31:19
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If i could i'd choose to be a werebat i think. Sometimes man. Sometimes bat, flying whenever i want. Sleeping by day, living by night. Plus sonar is so cool i could explore lightless underdark caverns and dark places in the dead of the night...
Yeah that'd be cool. |
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Jun 2014 : 00:32:55
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Of the choices given, I would choose 'None of the above'. I've never been particularly fond of undead, and, having had to kill more than a few rats around my house, don't care much for them or their lycanthrope kin.
However, I wouldn't mind being turned into a werebear. Or some sort of were-dinosaur. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jun 2014 : 23:15:21
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Hmphf, Mystras Chosen are immortal, eh?
Other canon has stated that Mystras Chosen do not need to sleep. In particular, Mystras Chosen do not snore.
I suspect these are all exaggerated truths. Mystras Chosen do indeed live a long, long time - although (given the small sampling so far) they represent a wide array of ages. Elminster is a surprisingly spry *old man*, Khelben has been portrayed as a stern man approaching his 30s and every other age up to authoritative sant-and-pepper-bearded late middle age, the Symbol is mysteriously young and mature all at once. Yes, they can assume the appearance of any age they wish. But I bet some of them snore, too.
And we all know that Mystra has demonstrably been attacked, deposed, and replaced several times. Hardly the most stable deity to provide immortality.
I wonder if heirophant druids, who also possess agelessness and functional immortality, also gradually show the signs of advanced years?
There seems to really be no true immortality in the Realms, only great longevity. Even gods and goddesses eventually diminish or perish, given sufficient time (and, perhaps, a few accelerating shoves through accident, violence, and the mortal weaknesses of their Faithful). |
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