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Metis
Acolyte
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 Posted - 15 Jun 2004 : 04:08:35
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| Thank you for all the sources, but as you say... All of those mentioned only provide very little of what I ask. I hope Ed can provide more. And yes, I've just finished the Rage, now back to the War of the Spider Queen series. |
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The Black Hand of Bane
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 15 Jun 2004 : 13:03:29
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How could anyone not want a book about Bane?!!!?
In anycase, thanks for the answer Ed and for passing it on Hooded One. It gives alot to think about and how to work on Shar more within my own campaign. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2004 : 08:31:13
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For once I Im not posting a question, I wanted to draw Eds attention to something one of the guys on the Realms list.
Hes asking about the order of battle for Cormyr ie the regiments etc that make up the Cormyrian army.
and I was wondering if Ed had anything to add
http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0406b&L=realms-l
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2004 : 08:53:21
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The link for the above-mention post is at http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0406B&L=realms-l&P=R2275.
I'd prefer not to be too hard on the author, but I have to note right off the bat that there are some errors in the proposed order of battle. Leaving out that the Purple Dragons (thanks to Duke Bhereu) focus more on smaller unit tactics, the overarching structure is simply wrong. The business of dividing up the kingdom into distinct armies under four knights-marshal that was proposed long ago on the Realms-L isn't correct. The commander of the eastern armies is the Lord High Warden of the Eastern Marches, not "Guardian of the Eastern Reaches." There is no "Army of the Defender of the Western Heights;" there isn't even a Defender of the Western Heights. The western lands of Cormyr are guarded by the forces out of High Horn.
I know it's convenient to try and create a distinct and simple hierarchy for the Purple Dragons, but this tends to lead to the sort of assumptions about real world military tactics and structure that simply aren't the case for Cormyr. The Lord High Marshal of the Kingdom commands the army entire, the Lord High Warden of the Eastern Marches commands the armies of the east (housed in Arabel), and all other forces are commanded by their battlemasters, overswords, and lower officers, some of whom will operate far more independently than modern units could possibly allow.
If there were any other high-ranking officers (such as those suggested in this piece) we'd have heard about them in a supplement long before now. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Jun 2004 : 15:03:50
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The matter of Cormyr’s armies, in the aftermath of DEATH OF THE DRAGON, is a topic I’ve discussed with Ed extensively, thanks to the Realms-list being quite active in the past with posters trying to flesh out the organization and strength of the Purple Dragons.
Wizards has Ed’s notes on this topic, so they’re NDA-covered, but his primary comment was that too many fans “do wrong” when detailing the armies of Cormyr by trying to bolt modern U.S. military command structures and organization onto a fantasy “medieval-to-Renaissance” –era army, in a kingdom where magic rules (the War Wizards) and the nobility dominates . . . and then somehow expecting it all to work.
An earlier poster here asked about the strength of the army right now, post DotD, and Ed’s reply follows:
Well, whatever you need it to be in your own campaign. (No, this reply isn’t a “cop-out.” :} ) There have been aggressive recruitment drives with good pay offers, efforts that are continuing, and remember that the War Wizards can screen out traitors joining the rank-and-file Purple Dragons.
As a result, I’d say that the equipped and ready-for-the-fray total military strength of the Purple Dragons right now would be somewhere around 12,000. However, cavalry would be far fewer than in the past, and many of the Blades are at present low level and having poor training and discipline. However, the combination of fewer idiot nobles as officers, veteran survivor Purple Dragons as many of their officer replacements, and War Wizard scrying vigilance should make the Purple Dragons BETTER disciplined in the long run than they’ve ever been before.
Moreover, Alusair’s early flings with many young nobles have forged a bunch of nobles who are friends with each other AND worship the ground she treads, so the nobles who do become officers (and eventually heads of noble houses, inside or outside her uniformed service) will be far more loyal to her and used to her command style and willing to trust in it (rather than seeking glory or thinking that they know better on the battlefield) will be far greater.
So saith Ed, who is gleefully writing about a certain humorously disastrous revel in Waterdeep right now. Perhaps I should put on my scantiest gown and go….
THO
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
USA
804 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2004 : 15:09:13
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Reading Winterfox’s comments in another thread here reminded me of a rumor I read on the Net recently: that Ed writes OTHER novels for Wizards, under a pen-name. I don’t believe it myself, but have any other scribes heard this? Or know something about it?
(Wouldn’t it be a gas if Ed was writing other Realms novels and we were all judging them as better or worse than “his own”?)
So, Ed or Hooded One, care to comment? :}
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2004 : 15:13:46
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Happy Dancing Hobgoblins, man, when would he have the TIME? 
THO
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2004 : 16:38:41
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
The matter of Cormyr’s armies, in the aftermath of DEATH OF THE DRAGON, is a topic I’ve discussed with Ed extensively, thanks to the Realms-list being quite active in the past with posters trying to flesh out the organization and strength of the Purple Dragons.
Wizards has Ed’s notes on this topic, so they’re NDA-covered, but his primary comment was that too many fans “do wrong” when detailing the armies of Cormyr by trying to bolt modern U.S. military command structures and organization onto a fantasy “medieval-to-Renaissance” –era army, in a kingdom where magic rules (the War Wizards) and the nobility dominates . . . and then somehow expecting it all to work.
An earlier poster here asked about the strength of the army right now, post DotD, and Ed’s reply follows:
Well, whatever you need it to be in your own campaign. (No, this reply isn’t a “cop-out.” :} ) There have been aggressive recruitment drives with good pay offers, efforts that are continuing, and remember that the War Wizards can screen out traitors joining the rank-and-file Purple Dragons.
As a result, I’d say that the equipped and ready-for-the-fray total military strength of the Purple Dragons right now would be somewhere around 12,000. However, cavalry would be far fewer than in the past, and many of the Blades are at present low level and having poor training and discipline. However, the combination of fewer idiot nobles as officers, veteran survivor Purple Dragons as many of their officer replacements, and War Wizard scrying vigilance should make the Purple Dragons BETTER disciplined in the long run than they’ve ever been before.
Moreover, Alusair’s early flings with many young nobles have forged a bunch of nobles who are friends with each other AND worship the ground she treads, so the nobles who do become officers (and eventually heads of noble houses, inside or outside her uniformed service) will be far more loyal to her and used to her command style and willing to trust in it (rather than seeking glory or thinking that they know better on the battlefield) will be far greater.
So saith Ed, who is gleefully writing about a certain humorously disastrous revel in Waterdeep right now. Perhaps I should put on my scantiest gown and go….
THO
Cormyr has always struck me as being very "English" so ive always pictured there armys as being like the English army ie Regiment with long historys (After all weve pretty much got the History of Cormyr thanks to Eds novel)
Going off what Ed Rod in the FR adventures guide
Cormyr had as of just after the Time of Troubles
2020 Purple Dragons in Arabel plus another 2000 Milita during wartime
3000 Purple Dragons in Marsember and 2200 "Marines" on 12 war ships
4500 Purple Dragons in Suzail plus 2500+ Marines based on 14 Warships
850 Purple Dragon Cavalry in Tilverton plus another 470 Militia
Giving it a total of 17450 this of cause doesnt include cities not mentioned in FRA and the garrisions of Strategic Fortress like High Horn
Hopefully Wizards will see fit to publish Eds work on the Cormyrian army soon |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 01:04:19
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Hi again Ed,
Why does it seem I have a lot of questions for you? :) Anyhow here is another one from a poster, named agill, from the WOTC boards.
Would it be common knowledge that Alustriel has children and use them as staff-members for her organization surrounding Silverymoon, let alone their person? I have planned it to let it be that members of the higher civil end would know of most her children, but is this really the case and would lower level people in the city (maybe even Everlund) know of her children? |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 02:38:12
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Ah, another one I can handle by myself. 
Kuje31, Ed’s probably frantically typing away at his keyboard right now (something about Elaith and lots of puffing old nobles and a battle, he hinted when last we e-spoke), but from repeated demonstrations of this in the original Realms campaign I can say with great certainty that most folk in Everlund and Silverymoon know very well that this or that son of Alustriel is named thus-and-so, as customarily does such-and-such, and the current gossip races across the city whenever anyo of them gets embroiled in anything interesting.
What most people can’t keep straight is birth order, beyond “he’s one of the older ones” or “he’s one of her later ones, aye?” though courtiers and wizards and sages have no trouble in this regard at all. It doesn’t help that they tend to look alike, act alike, and are good friends with each other, of course.
THO
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 03:12:31
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Ah, another one I can handle by myself.
Kuje31, Ed’s probably frantically typing away at his keyboard right now (something about Elaith and lots of puffing old nobles and a battle, he hinted when last we e-spoke), but from repeated demonstrations of this in the original Realms campaign I can say with great certainty that most folk in Everlund and Silverymoon know very well that this or that son of Alustriel is named thus-and-so, as customarily does such-and-such, and the current gossip races across the city whenever anyo of them gets embroiled in anything interesting.
What most people can’t keep straight is birth order, beyond “he’s one of the older ones” or “he’s one of her later ones, aye?” though courtiers and wizards and sages have no trouble in this regard at all. It doesn’t help that they tend to look alike, act alike, and are good friends with each other, of course.
THO
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 03:56:16
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Kuje31, Ed’s probably frantically typing away at his keyboard right now (something about Elaith and lots of puffing old nobles and a battle, he hinted when last we e-spoke),
Is that with the nobles fighting on Elaith's side or fighting against Elaith's side in the battle? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 06:56:11
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Got another question for Ed
*hears the groan alll the way from Canada*
What can you tell us about Angus Materi and Mara Kalaliv (2 Zhentarim/Church of Bane leaders from page 96 of LoD)
Specficly what do both of them look like and whats are their background also is Angus a follower of Bane? (one would assume by his Lawful evil Alignment that he is)
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 08:07:32
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Ive just had an attack of nostalgia
I just opend along forgotten draw in my Closet which has a heap of old Ral Patha lead minis of prominant Realms personalites
Including
Elminster
Khelbhan Blackstaff
Dove
Storm
Manshoon
Mourngrym Amcathra
Vanderghast
Florin
King Azoun
Laeral
Sharel Rowanmantle
Szass Tam
This questions for the Hooded One
Did Ed use minis when he DM'd and if so did you use the old FR Ral Patha minis of your Characters? |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 16:35:48
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Well met again, gentle scribes. Thy Hooded Lady with the briefest of replies from Ed, to SiriusBlack, asking but Elaith and the nobles: Neither. :}
To which I add: But keep fishing: ’tis fun.
As for minis: no, we’ve never used them in play, because they slow the roleplaying down so much and we’re all busy people who like to pack our sessions full of unfolding happenings. We do use map and marker-minis for large setpiece land battles (Zhent army attacks on Shadowdale, for example), and we once tried minis as a TSR playtest (drow caravan ambush, in cavern with lots of stalactites and stalagmites), but wow, what a time-wasting frustration! (For us, I hasten to add.)
Ta ta for now! (No, that DOESN’T mean I’m waving my ta-tas at you, Blueblade. Put that codpiece back on and settle down. 
THO
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 16:54:23
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Thanks to Sage of Stars for those thoughts. I confess I'm not sure what I was doing with that thread -- it started as just a reply that would have been off-topic on the thread it stemmed from. I was talking in a very intra-Realms context, but the reminder of the wider background (which I could have related only much more vaguely) was needed.
I think with my education and day job I can tell good writing without misplaced confidence or confusing it with personal fondness or taste. I don't have an inflated opinion of Ed's works; he's not my favourite author, I don't think the Realms is one of the three greatest secondary worlds (though I could make the case). Perhaps I was getting towards talking about the duality of Ed being on the one hand a mercenary author of 'novelizations' (for his Realms work) and on the other an author of original novels in a world that happens to be legally owned by others. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Jun 2004 : 17:08:40
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Well met again, gentle scribes. Thy Hooded Lady with the briefest of replies from Ed, to SiriusBlack, asking but Elaith and the nobles: Neither. :}
To which I add: But keep fishing: ’tis fun.
Tease! Horrible teases both you and EG.
All I know is those puffing old nobles better not get one drop of sweat on Elaith's clothing. I can see blood being shed if that takes place. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2004 : 02:42:39
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Well, SiriusBlack, Ed tells me that readers of the novel will get to see all too much blood being shed, as usual, but wants you to know that Elaith is an important SUPPORTING character, not a main character. This book isn’t “Elaith Enjoys Evermeet” (though I’d give a LOT to read or watch such a product, ahem  ), but rather . . . something else.
Whew. All this teasing is exhausting. It’d be easier if Ed would let me read the rough draft, but of course that can’t be.
Unless I stow away in Ed’s suitcase (hmm, THAT would give his wife a surprise, to be sure!  ) and get driven down to Orlando (hmm: to say nothing of the astonishment the nice U.S. Customs men would exhibit, come to think of it  ) so I could ah, persuade Peter Archer to LET me read the book (tongue in ear, sidle into lap, purr a little). No, that wouldn’t work either; he has a wife, too.
Magic, that’s what I need. Real magic, that works in this world of ours. Then I could keep Ed just writing and writing and writing . . . and we’d all get a new Realms novel out of him about every three months.
Hey, now that I COULD suggest to Wizards. Anyone care to add their voice to mine in such a noble endeavour?
THO
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 19 Jun 2004 : 03:21:17
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Whew. All this teasing is exhausting.
We know, but you seem to enjoy doing it to us, anyway. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Jun 2004 : 03:53:36
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Well, SiriusBlack, Ed tells me that readers of the novel will get to see all too much blood being shed, as usual, but wants you to know that Elaith is an important SUPPORTING character, not a main character.
Yes, a vital supporting character. I believe early on when Elaine Cunningham offered a few comments on the novel, I made the mistake of calling Elaith a minor character. All I can say is if it gets back to The Serpent, I will deny knowing anything about it or anyone named Elaine Cunningham.
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This book isn’t “Elaith Enjoys Evermeet” (though I’d give a LOT to read or watch such a product, ahem ), but rather . . . something else.
Please let me know when Elaith Craulnober's Guide to Evermeet might be published. Now there is a tome I'd love to see.
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Whew. All this teasing is exhausting. It’d be easier if Ed would let me read the rough draft, but of course that can’t be.
Not a good idea unless it's been proof read first. Okay, I'm busy myself, but I'll do it. Please pass along my email addy to EG and he can send the draft right this way.
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Unless I stow away in Ed’s suitcase (hmm, THAT would give his wife a surprise, to be sure! ) and get driven down to Orlando (hmm: to say nothing of the astonishment the nice U.S. Customs men would exhibit, come to think of it ) so I could ah, persuade Peter Archer to LET me read the book (tongue in ear, sidle into lap, purr a little). No, that wouldn’t work either; he has a wife, too.
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
USA
804 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2004 : 15:29:23
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Hey, all! Activity on the Fast Forward message boards at last: John Danovich has posted that Ed’s Castlemorn sourcebook has gone off to the printers, and if all goes well, should be in stores by July 19th, I think he said.
Yes! Yes! Yes! (See, Hooded Lady? Codpiece back on!)
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Gerath Hoan
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jun 2004 : 17:40:21
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Well met my Lady Hooded One (and Ed),
I have a very quick and easy to answer question here... I've been looking at my maps of Arabel (and yes, i know i ask a lot of questions about this location, as it's most definitely my fave)... and the Old Grey Box places the citadel on the north wall... yet all other maps place this direction as west... so which is correct? Should Arabel be oriented with the Citadel in the north (with gates to the west, south and east) or should the Citadel be in the west (with gates to the north, east and south)?
Also, i take it that there's a road reaching around the city to behind the Citadel so as to join the major trade routes, as there are clearly four roads at each point of the compass that lead to and from Arabel but only three gates to enter and leave the city in the detailed maps.
Thanks in advance, and apologies for providing further distraction from the Waterdeep novel... i look forward to seeing it reach my local bookstore! |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jun 2004 : 04:05:52
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Gerath, on the topic of Arabel, rest assured that the Citadel lies on the northern wall. If it were on the eastern wall, places like Eastgate and Eastwatch Inn would be horribly misnamed, Volo--who's actually been there (we think)--would be incorrect in directing visitors to look to the north wall to see the Citadel and the Palace, and so forth.
There is no road passing around Arabel; that is the point. It's not called the Caravan City for nothing, after all. The gate eastward opens to the East Way (heading from Arabel eastward) and the Mountain Ride, which transforms into the Moonsea Ride toward Tilverton. These pretty much join outside the city to ease traffic (among the other, more historical reasons). The road west is the High Road (which goes to High Horn and beyond). These roads meet in the middle of the city with Calantar's Way. In order to circumvent the city, one has to go round the hard way. A normal caravan, however, needs to either pass through the city, or enter it in order to offload its goods for distribution to the rest of Cormyr. The city's job is to dominate overland trade, and it does so quite nicely. |
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fourthmensch
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Jun 2004 : 19:34:12
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Yet another question for He of the Green Wood, in what is quickly becoming a massive omnibus of a thread:
Can you tell me anything about the Realm of Wailing Fog? Its marked on the 2e map of Cormyr, near the eastern edge of the Hullack Forest. I have looked everywhere I can think of for some information--Cormyr, Volo's Guide,even Elminster's Ecologies (a brilliant work, by the way, one of my favorites from back in the day)--but I can't seem to find anything. I even went so far as to ask Kuje if he knew of anything about it--and if he's stumped, then its probably never seen print. Any tidbits you could pass along? Personalities, histories, perhaps a fully detailed adventure with maps? (). Even hints by yourself and the indefatiguable Lady Hooded would be welcome. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Jun 2004 : 20:36:53
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Ah, well met again, fellow scribes. ’Tis truly a pleasure to share Candlekeep with such lords of Realmslore. Gerath Hoan, please consider every word of Garen Thal’s post in reply to you re. Arabel to be er, gospel, if I dare apply that word to matters Faerunian.
As for the Realm of Wailing Fog, fourthmensch, that’s a place Ed has remained mysterious about because we Knights have been on its verges and not gone in farther, and (heh heh) he’s lying in wait for us . . .
What I CAN tell you about it is this: desolate fens, everpresent mist, lots of crimson deaths and the occasional wizshade, eerie echoing calls, long-ruined towers, and a heavy feeling of WATCHFULNES hanging over everything. I’d not be surprised to encounter all sorts of the more unusual types of undead.
Makes me shiver, just remembering it. Must go and warm myself beside a man . . . or two.
THO
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jun 2004 : 21:07:21
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It first appeared on the map in Eric Haddock's Cormyr book, didn't it... are those locations from Ed's original maps/notes, or did Ed pick the Realm up from the book?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 03:07:23
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Must go and warm myself beside a man . . . or two.
THO
Can I volunteer for this? |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 05:24:26
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Of course, Wooly. If you can fight your way past all these Knights in shining armor. I prefer soft wool to hard metal, after all.
THO |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 05:30:30
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Of course, Wooly. If you can fight your way past all these Knights in shining armor. I prefer soft wool to hard metal, after all.
THO
I'm not even going to approach commenting on that last sentence thereby showing I do have some restraint. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 06:02:51
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
I prefer soft wool to hard metal, after all.
THO
So the Hooded ones a New Zealander! |
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