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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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 Posted - 02 Mar 2014 : 17:31:29
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Originally posted by khanio07
I'd do everything in my power to stop you from resurrecting her. Keep the dead DEAD. I don't care how pure they are in life, it isn't natural.
Visit the spirit in another plane of existence but don't resort to lichdom please... For your own good...
Lol, what are you? The Inquisition? :P
If something can be done or exists, then it is natural, as ''bad'' as it may be in your eyes. Stuff that does not belong to nature simply doesn't exist. In Toril magic allows for extraordinary achievements and all of them are part of the nature of that place*, resurrecting the dead is just one of them.
The laws that regulate the world are kind of BS for allowing pain to happen and being such an integral part of people's existence for no meaningful reason beside ''such is life, deal with it''. If there are ways to go around this and do good, then it is just natural to use them; not doing so would be the actual non-natural action (as the nature of living things includes self-preservation as one of its main traits).
Also, Drustan was talking about deities, who are not mortal and have tons of tools to stay alive through the direst situations. So helping their return (if it even needs to be aided, as it could be something planned by them) should not even involve resurrection.
*Speaking of which, my answer to the question in this thread is Toril, mainly because of this reason. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Eltheron
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Mar 2014 : 17:54:56
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There's nothing wrong in wanting Eilistraee to come back. And in fact, her "death" is far from certain*. The novelist who penned Eilistraee's "last" moments (Lisa Smedman) left it purposefully unclear and vague as to what actually happened to her. So if she comes back, it may not even need to be a resurrection - but even if it were, I see no harm in that (especially when we consider the events of the Sundering).
Getting to the original topic, out of those three I'd choose Tolkien's Middle-Earth. It strikes me as no less dangerous to live there than the other two, and it has the added advantage of a metastory with a happy ending.
*Even Vhaeraun's death is far from certain in Smedman's book. She really did a great job leaving all sorts of possibilities open.
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Kris the Grey
Senior Scribe
USA
422 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2014 : 20:38:36
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Eltheron,
I quite agree with you relative to Eilistraee.
If it makes you feel better, one of the PCs in my 'play yourself' campaign converted to the worship of the Dark Maiden after spending some time at the Promenade (without knowing anything about her existence before the game) and has made it her mission in life to 'save' the goddess from the fate awaiting her in the not so distant future (my game being set in 1371 presently) that she learned about from some of the more Realms savvy players in the game.
She (the PC), and her dark elven priestess companion, are soon to be featured in the story I'm sharing over on the other thread. |
Kris the Grey - Member in Good Standing of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors, the Arcane Guild of Silverymoon, and the Connecticut Bar Association |
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Berkthgar
Learned Scribe
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2014 : 23:50:51
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We need to start a petition for Bethesda studios to make Faerun a setting!
I just don't want something like valindra shadowmantle to happen again? One must be cautious in summoning, and have the proper rune circle. You maybe calling something pure, but something evil may seep through.
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Valindra_Shadowmantle |
“Change is not always growth, but growth is often rooted in change.
Drizzt Do'Urden” |
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Kris the Grey
Senior Scribe
USA
422 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2014 : 00:01:13
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| Chapter II up. (http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18961) |
Kris the Grey - Member in Good Standing of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors, the Arcane Guild of Silverymoon, and the Connecticut Bar Association |
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Berkthgar
Learned Scribe
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2014 : 13:33:03
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| Did you really compose a story as a result of this thread?? Brilliant! Haha, I'll read it soon, thanks! |
“Change is not always growth, but growth is often rooted in change.
Drizzt Do'Urden” |
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Kris the Grey
Senior Scribe
USA
422 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2014 : 20:45:56
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Chapter III up. (http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18961) Wherein the story truly gets interesting...
If you are a fan of Eilistraee, Menzoberranzan, or just dark elves in general you will probably be fairly entertained. Lol. |
Kris the Grey - Member in Good Standing of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors, the Arcane Guild of Silverymoon, and the Connecticut Bar Association |
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Cbad285
Learned Scribe
161 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2014 : 03:03:12
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The realms.
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Kris the Grey
Senior Scribe
USA
422 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2014 : 02:52:35
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Chapter IV up. (http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18961) Wherein our PCs encounter an (in)famous face...
Once again, if you are a fan of Eilistraee, Menzoberranzan, or just dark elves in general you will probably be fairly entertained.
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Kris the Grey - Member in Good Standing of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors, the Arcane Guild of Silverymoon, and the Connecticut Bar Association |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Kris the Grey
Senior Scribe
USA
422 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2014 : 19:46:30
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Alystra,
Please do, I think you might very well enjoy it.
Its funny, but two of my PCs adopted the worship of Eilistraee to one degree or other despite the fact that neither had ever even heard of her before 'arriving' in the Realms. The most dedicated of the two had never even heard of dark elves before (it was her first time playing any sort of fantasy role playing game). I guess I did a decent job of making the folks at the Promenade (and the faith in general) appealing, Lol. |
Kris the Grey - Member in Good Standing of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors, the Arcane Guild of Silverymoon, and the Connecticut Bar Association |
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
Learned Scribe
USA
324 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2014 : 22:06:52
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I was actually reminded of this scroll by another one I had commented on. I realized that, even if Eilistraee is dead, I still would have a reason to be in the Realms; to avenge her by killing every last Lolthite drow beneath the surface of Abeir-Toril (and by extension, Lolth herself). If I can't be with the goddess I love, than at least I can dedicate my existence to slaying those I hate.
EDIT: Actually, living for hatred might not be such a good idea (especially since just thinking about it has apparently made me, quite literally, sick to my stomach . Ugh.) |
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unseenmage
Seeker
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Posted - 31 Mar 2014 : 23:21:20
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Is it cheating to say, 'Tamriel, because then I can just Gate to the other realms and Shapechange into the other races.'?
But more seriously, as a bachelor? An adventuring world where I can die horribly.
As a husband and father? Gotta go with being a Hobbit. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 01 Apr 2014 : 14:53:16
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Geez I feel like I live in Tamriel already...
I mean I have a house there and everything. I have like 8 of them. They are bigger than the house I live in here.
I got one more actually the other month. But it is made out of the shell of a crab. It is weird.
Plus if I don't like some random phrase someone speakes to me, like say I am trying to ask someone about a medallion, and some fool comes up to me rattling off about what his name means while staring at me, I can murder him and only have to pay 1000 gold.
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 01 Apr 2014 : 16:44:19
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| Faerun, cast a plane shift spell and spend my days in Brightwater. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Apr 2014 : 04:11:30
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This is a difficult choice. Faerűn certainly has it's attraction for me, but I also love Tamriel -- especially Cyrodiil.
Middle-earth has it's charm, too.
I can't decide. |
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
Learned Scribe
USA
324 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2014 : 23:17:33
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Originally posted by Mournblade
Geez I feel like I live in Tamriel already...
I mean I have a house there and everything. I have like 8 of them. They are bigger than the house I live in here.
I got one more actually the other month. But it is made out of the shell of a crab. It is weird.
Plus if I don't like some random phrase someone speakes to me, like say I am trying to ask someone about a medallion, and some fool comes up to me rattling off about what his name means while staring at me, I can murder him and only have to pay 1000 gold.
Y'know, this actually makes me wish I could live in Tamriel. It seems like such a pleasant world to live in, and would only cost me the occasional 1000 gold.  |
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Faerun vs Tamriel vs middle earth
