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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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 Posted - 17 Jan 2014 : 17:12:56
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I no longer own either of the two products that contain the maps, but the ones in both Anauroch and Netheril: Empire of Magic are precisely the same scale and superimpose perfectly.
If you are not very good with GIMP or PS or whatever, you can just place a lamp under a glass table (thats what I used back in the primitive, pre-computer days). Anyhow, you can see where everything falls out (and surprisingly, quite a bit fall-out outside of what we would have thought of as 'Netheril-proper' - it was MUCH bigger then just that desert).
You know what would be interesting? A Netheril map showing 'provinces'. They must have had something like that, otherwise administration would have been a nightmare (even with their very freeform 'republic' type of system). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Demzer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Jan 2014 : 17:23:25
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Note: i may be completely and utterly wrong.
Confronting N:EoM first map (Golden Age) with the Faerun Atlas:
Dementia Range = Ice Mountains
Barren Mountains = Nether Mountains
Far Horns Forest = Fallen Lands and the small forests at its southern tip (unsure)
Spiregardt = the Great Mount of Ghaethluntar
Abbey Mountains = Turnback Mountain
Eastern Forest = Border Forest
Gods Legion Mountains = Desertsmouth Mountains AND Northern Thunder Peaks
Looking at the N:EoM third map (The Fall):
Purple Mountains = Greycloak Hills |
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Demzer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Jan 2014 : 17:44:44
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Following Markustay's tip and confronting the first map (Golden Age) in N:EoM and the one in Anauroch:
The Hazardous Climb = The Pillar of Tauros
Sunrest Mountain + The Glorifier = Snout Mountains
Rampant Peaks = Dragon's Back Peaks
Shinantra Mountains = The Wall of the Djinn
Patrician Peak = Aerithae's Rest
Shadowtop Mountain = The Shattered Tower
Nether River = the River of Gems (why is this river left out of all the other maps?)
Widowmaker Mountain = The Swordpoint
Lodestar Mountains = The Scimitar's Spires
Moander's Footstep = The Stonelands
Also, from Silver Marches:
Cold Forest = Cold Wood + Adbar Run + Vordron Forest + Arn Forest |
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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2014 : 19:29:55
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Also, I brought-back some of the older names (and geography) from the Netheril product into my own Stonelands maps (a couple of which are kept here at the keep). Brian James then went-ahead and used some of that as the basis for his art-order and the Mike Schley map of Cormyr, and you can see that on that map (stuff like 'Moandor's Footstep').
No map seems to accurately depict where Thaeravel (Land of Alabaster Towers) was, but since its capital was Rasilith, it must have been in the southern Anauroch region, which should have included the marches and at least one of the swamps (I am thinking both, and that the more southern lands - based around the Tunlands - was still more pro-Thaeravel even after being annexed). Once again, a historic map would come in handy. Someday.... {wistful sigh}
EDIT: Just noticed something - "Moander's Footstep" falls dead-center of where I picture Thaeravel being. I wonder if the two have anything to do with each other? Was Moander a god during the time of Nethril? Could he have been summoned and/or invoked through a ritual, to help eradicate their southern neighbors and rivals? Since I figure the Thaeravelites as being Talfiric, and the Talfir have connections to Shar, is there any thing in the lore that says anything about how Moander and Shar get along?
Also, Moander has corruption as part of portfolio (IIRC), and the Phaerimm are all about 'corrupting magic', or at least, absorbing it. I wonder if Moander has a conection to the phaerimm? They don't appear until after Thaeravel falls (although there could be dozens of explanations for that, including the fact they just hadn't notced the Netherese yet).
Sorry for the derail - maps always make me go a little 'cocoa for Cocoa Puffs' with the lore. Every time I look at them i think of new things.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Gary Dallison
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Demzer
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Posted - 17 Jan 2014 : 20:20:22
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Yep to Moander being a god in Netheril, he and Shar got along well as "easy compatriots for her schemes".
The conversion from NY to DR is NY-3859=DR so 2100 NY=-1759 DR. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 18 Jan 2014 : 19:29:33
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My theory is that after her final battle with Talona, Kiputytto was in a coma-like state and hidden beneath the swamp (probably the Farsea Marshes), and then was 'revived' and released during the ToT, where she fell prey to Talona a second time (who may have herself appeared in that other city sunk beneath the other swamp - the Marsh of Tun).
Because she makes one appearance AFTER Cyric's ascension, in The Complete Book of Necromancers. In that, Cyric appears cowed by Loviatar, who shows up to take back her sister's soul (which would have to have been a version of Cyric VERY soon after he attained godhood, and was unsure of himself).
I figure Kiputytto for a Gur/Netheres diety of ancient origins (one of the many Finnish gods they had), and Talona as a Talfiric entity, which would explain why the two were fighting after Netheril annexed all the Thaeravel lands.
I really like the idea that the Apothec were Talfiric (the now-subjected remainder of the Thaeravelites), and that they shunned magic, probably because they have learned, "it only brings disaster". On the other hand, the Raumvari originally had a much more druidic magic at first (when you read Frostfell), and if the Netherese are of Gur origin as I surmise (making them related), then the Apothec may be a remnant of the original Netherese belief system, before the Nether Scrolls "ruined them all". You could spin it either way. Another take could be that some of them - the survivors - may have even left and become Uthgardt, eventually joining with other Netherese refugees after the fall, and became Rengardt (the anti-magic group of Uthgardt).
And it could just be that the Netherese -- those of Netherese blood - were the only ones allowed to practice magic within their empire, which means any other racial groups stuck within their borders would have had to find other means.
I am really in-love with the idea that the people of Thultanthar (Shade) got their knowledge after ripping it from the minds of the Talfiric Thaeravelites. I can really see Telamont doing something like that, trying to get an 'edge' over his Netherese rivals. It also helps link the two big pieces of 'shadow lore' we have in the Reals together. Telemont was known as 'Lord Shadow', and the other guy was the Shadowking - a title that Larloch also use on occasion. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 18 Jan 2014 : 23:38:06
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Just a small correction before I get distracted in my own re-exploration of Netheril.
Spiregardt is now called Untrivvin, and it's within the High Ice. Ghaethluntar is outside the desert (and off the Netheril/Anauroch maps) to the east. |
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Gary Dallison
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Malkinere
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Posted - 23 Aug 2018 : 15:41:33
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| Hello all, newcomer here; as DM though I am very interested in this top and seeing as how this is from 2014 I was curious, has anyone come up with an overlay of Netheril map vs current map? I am most interested in the Savage Coast area. |
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Gary Dallison
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 24 Aug 2018 : 02:35:11
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Originally posted by Malkinere
Hello all, newcomer here; as DM though I am very interested in this top and seeing as how this is from 2014 I was curious, has anyone come up with an overlay of Netheril map vs current map? I am most interested in the Savage Coast area.
The savage coast was not part of Netheril... it was further West.
A couple exceptions... Warloch's Crypt is a fallen enclave that was over there for some reason. Still never got any good details on that as far as I know.
Skullport was originally an enclave, though not of the flying mountain variety.
The Mines of Decanter are Netherese ruins.
Skull Gorge was called the hollow and was the location of Holloway on the Bodensee river, which is now called the River Reaching.
The Netheril box set had a map of the region, but there were very few things named. The High Forest was named high forest. The Endless caverns were described as caves that go on forever. It points out elven ruins in the star mounts that I don't think were ever revealed further. The Lost peaks were labeled as mountains they couldn't climb because magical beings live there.
The location of southcrypt is labeled as proposed location for Kryptgarden Falls. The forest there, labeled Westwood, would eventually become Kryptgarden forest, separated by deforestation from the remains of Westwood to the south.
Only other things to note is that the residents of the location of Waterdeep are described as idiots and there were apparently dragons south of the Greypeaks that were easy to tame.
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2018 : 18:43:18
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Great dazzlerdal,
I have a fantastic site you may enjoy here for Netheril!
https://faerunhistory.wordpress.com/2017/02/11/maps-of-netheril/
Best regards,
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
I'm looking through the Netheril Book and i'm having trouble picking out which Netherese geographic entities map to current (1370's) Faerun geographic entities.
I have a few but they are the really obvious ones
Netheril Name = Current Name
Abbey Mountains = Abbey Mountains
Eastern Forest = Arcorar/Cormanthor
Dementia Range = Ice Mountains/Spine of the World
Does anyone have thoughts on any others.
When i look at the Netheril maps i think the High Ice is much higher up the map in that time than it is now (which i'm fine with; magic did it).
But i cant decide where the other landmarks should be like The God's Legion Mountains, Hidden Forest, Purple Mountains etc, should be
I'm hoping to figure things out so i can decide whereabouts the various crashed enclaves of Netheril might end up.
I realise some of the geography is messed up and attributed to Sharn and Phaerimm magic interacting but some of it does fit slightly (i just have trouble with maps and which way is North etc)
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