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Berkthgar
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 19:13:05
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So did drizzt die in 1484 after sleeping eighteen years in the forest? I was truly shocked when this happened, all cause of that stupid Dahlia!
So , is the end of drizzt, on bruenor's climb, besides guen?
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 19:26:10
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Originally posted by khanio07
So did drizzt die in 1484 after sleeping eighteen years in the forest? I was truly shocked when this happened, all cause of that stupid Dahlia!
So , is the end of drizzt, on bruenor's climb, besides guen?
He did not die. He was mortally wounded, though, and Guen helps him to the top of Kelvin's Cairn. But the book ends before he dies.
So the book ends with him dying, but not yet dead. Another way to think of this: Drizzt is in need of immediate aid or he will die.
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 20:11:10
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Read the next book my friend. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
1221 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 20:25:55
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Lilianviaten
Senior Scribe
489 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 21:06:12
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
Hey, it's not Dahlia's fault he didn't fight back.
Good point. Most RAS fans are so insistent on hating Dahlia that they missed a key point. Dahlia is very clear that she chose Drizzt as a lover because she thought he could defeat her. Like many people who are suicidal in real life, she doesn't want to live anymore, but can't bring herself to take her own life.
She didn't want to kill Drizzt. She wanted to goad Drizzt into killing her. In that respect, she would have done much better picking a fight with Artemis. He doesn't need much goading to kill anybody. |
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jerrod
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 21:21:14
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| I agre with Lillian .entreri would've been a better choice. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 22:13:07
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Berkthgar
Learned Scribe
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163 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 22:29:31
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Now , is the sundering series prior to the never winter events?
Is there going to be a series to explain what happened at the end of the last threshold and continue drizzle story.
Also, was it cattle brie that catches driest as he is falling or is it someone else?
Who summoned guen?
What do you guys think about entreri now, his alignment is more chaotic good now , like jarlaxle. Personally, i don't think it fits entreri too well cause his personality now is so unlike the one we grew up with What say you all? |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 22:34:26
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
Hey, it's not Dahlia's fault he didn't fight back.
Good point. Most RAS fans are so insistent on hating Dahlia that they missed a key point.
But it is her fault that she picked that fight with him in the first place, and that she struck him so hard. Don't blame the victim, here.  |
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Berkthgar
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 22:37:59
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
Hey, it's not Dahlia's fault he didn't fight back.
Good point. Most RAS fans are so insistent on hating Dahlia that they missed a key point.
But it is her fault that she picked that fight with him in the first place, and that she struck him so hard. Don't blame the victim, here.
Dahlia did piss me off. She will never be respected by me. Cattle Brie and innovindil are the only two females in drizzts life that I care about |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 22:44:51
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Originally posted by khanio07
Now , is the sundering series prior to the never winter events?
Is there going to be a series to explain what happened at the end of the last threshold and continue drizzle story.
RAS's The Companions follows the Neverwinter books. It continues the story. You can get it now, it's out.
Also, The Companions is the first book in the Sundering series.
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Also, was it cattle brie that catches driest as he is falling or is it someone else?
Do you want spoilers from The Companions?
I will say, at the end of the book where Drizzt lays dying with a head wound, atop Kelvin's Cairn, Drizzt believes that he sees Catti-Brie's spirit. If you want to know more, I'll tell you. But it will spoil the next book, I think.
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Who summoned guen?
I thought Drizzt did? I could be mistaken, though.
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What do you guys think about entreri now, his alignment is more chaotic good now , like jarlaxle. Personally, i don't think it fits entreri too well cause his personality now is so unlike the one we grew up with What say you all?
I'd say he's acting nicer, but he's probably chaotic neutral. Above all, Entreri is very pragmatic.
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Dec 2013 : 23:47:56
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me thinks that Dahlia is a chosen of Lolth..... I also think she is no surface elf, but an Albino Drow.( she is in need of that flute from Jarlaxle)
think about it, she thrusts a blade into each lover's heart. Isn't that the spider's Kiss????? |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
1221 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 10:13:46
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Originally posted by khanio07
Now , is the sundering series prior to the never winter events?
Is there going to be a series to explain what happened at the end of the last threshold and continue drizzle story.
Also, was it cattle brie that catches driest as he is falling or is it someone else?
Who summoned guen?
What do you guys think about entreri now, his alignment is more chaotic good now , like jarlaxle. Personally, i don't think it fits entreri too well cause his personality now is so unlike the one we grew up with What say you all?
Jarlaxle's alignment is not chaotic good. His last, officially given alignment was simply "Evil"(4e system merged Lawful and Neutral evil into just evil), and I'm of the opinion that neutral evil suits him just fine.
And Enteri isn't chaotic anything. At best, he's a darker shade of lawful neutral, but I'm more inclined to label him a lighter shade of lawful evil. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 12:50:54
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RAS will never kill off Drizzt, he lines his pockets with gold.
Thats kind of an unfair statement - I think it has much more to do with WotC then it does with RAS.
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Berkthgar
Learned Scribe
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 17:43:15
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 17:47:48
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| It even says SPOILER, and I still read everything. -_- My curiosity.. |
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Berkthgar
Learned Scribe
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 19:38:41
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It even says SPOILER, and I still read everything. -_- My curiosity..
Sorry , perhaps my Spoilers wasn't prominent enough |
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charger_ss24
Learned Scribe
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108 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 20:51:23
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
Hey, it's not Dahlia's fault he didn't fight back.
Good point. Most RAS fans are so insistent on hating Dahlia that they missed a key point.
But it is her fault that she picked that fight with him in the first place, and that she struck him so hard. Don't blame the victim, here.
Dahlia did piss me off. She will never be respected by me. Cattle Brie and innovindil are the only two females in drizzts life that I care about
Same here. Wish Innovindil wouldn't have met an untimely death. She would have been a much better companion through the series than that dreadful Dahlia.
Dahlia's story, IMO, would have worked better had her and Artemis were more romantically linked than her and Drizzt. She would have gotten her wish LONG ago by just looking at him wrong.  |
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Euranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 21:41:14
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 21:42:43
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think about it, she thrusts a blade into each lover's heart. Isn't that the spider's Kiss?????
Well, it's a staff--not a blade. Maybe there's such a thing as a Spider's Thump? |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 21:52:33
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
Jarlaxle's alignment is not chaotic good. His last, officially given alignment was simply "Evil"(4e system merged Lawful and Neutral evil into just evil), and I'm of the opinion that neutral evil suits him just fine.
But he doesn't seem to want to make anyone suffer, or to be indifferent to suffering caused by his actions, anymore. He seems to care about other people's feelings. That sounds good to me. Chaotic good fits him in the novels.
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And Enteri isn't chaotic anything. At best, he's a darker shade of lawful neutral, but I'm more inclined to label him a lighter shade of lawful evil.
Entreri doesn't seem to me to want to cause suffering, either. And I hardly consider him lawful. He doesn't fit in well with human, drow, or Drizztian social structures. Entreri just wants to be free to call his own shots. Chaotic neutral? |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 22:03:50
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But he doesn't seem to want to make anyone suffer, or to be indifferent to suffering caused by his actions, anymore. He seems to care about other people's feelings. That sounds good to me. Chaotic good fits him in the novels.
Entreri doesn't seem to me to want to cause suffering, either. And I hardly consider him lawful. He doesn't fit in well with human, drow, or Drizztian social structures. Entreri just wants to be free to call his own shots. Chaotic neutral?
Definitely chaotic neutral. Entreri is not lawful, no way no how. He may have his own personal code, but that doesn't equate to following or working to uphold the laws of the land or even the rules of an organization as someone lawful evil might.
Also, he's not "good" - there's no way that he would do something like risk himself to save another person's life if they were not useful to him. He's pragmatic, and perhaps no longer evil in a classic sense. But he can't possibly be acquitted as a good person either. So I agree: chaotic neutral.
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 22:40:36
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think about it, she thrusts a blade into each lover's heart. Isn't that the spider's Kiss?????
Well, it's a staff--not a blade. Maybe there's such a thing as a Spider's Thump?
ummm no, she does it in bed, and kills them with a dagger to the heart, why would she carry a staff into her bed, it just raises to many red flags, thus as I asked is that the spider's kiss
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 23:53:04
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Originally posted by sfdragon
ummm no, she does it in bed, and kills them with a dagger to the heart, why would she carry a staff into her bed, it just raises to many red flags, thus as I asked is that the spider's kiss
Interesting. Do you have a source?
In Gauntlgrym, Dahlia killed both of her lovers, Themerelis the barbarian (P1:C1), and Borlann the Crow (P1:C5), using her staff, Kozah's Needle. There is even an implication that she was in the process of bedding Borlann when he met his end, and yet she did not seem to have any difficulty deploying her weapon and sending him on his way with the brilliant telltale flash of lightning that is so characteristic of that staff.
To boot, it is my understanding that it was also Kozah's Needle that she used to crack one certain drow ranger lover of hers over the head and nearly send him to his demise, as well (The Last Threshold).
Where do you get the idea that she uses a dagger? I wasn't under the impression that she even carries a dagger, from the books.
It would make sense, logically, that she could. I just don't see any evidence of it.
Recall that Gauntlgrym also told us that Dahlia does not murder her lovers, but rather challenges them to a fair fight (P1:C5). She would not want to rely on an assassin's secrecy to get the drop on a lover. She would prefer to take him on, head on.
As far as the supposed difficulty in getting the staff into bed with her, remember that it can be broken down into a pair of flails. Two two-foot bundles would be much easier to smuggle into or alongside her bed than the eight-foot-long staff. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Dec 2013 : 00:56:51
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me thinks that Dahlia is a chosen of Lolth..... I also think she is no surface elf, but an Albino Drow.( she is in need of that flute from Jarlaxle)
think about it, she thrusts a blade into each lover's heart. Isn't that the spider's Kiss?????
The latest issue of Dragon has direct references to Lady Lolth attempting to turn Drizzt to the darkness with those characters. Very interesting read! |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Dec 2013 : 05:40:59
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| oooooooo I wish I had that article..... but no matter.... |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Dec 2013 : 05:49:46
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Originally posted by sfdragon
ummm no, she does it in bed, and kills them with a dagger to the heart, why would she carry a staff into her bed, it just raises to many red flags, thus as I asked is that the spider's kiss
Interesting. Do you have a source?
In Gauntlgrym, Dahlia killed both of her lovers, Themerelis the barbarian (P1:C1), and Borlann the Crow (P1:C5), using her staff, Kozah's Needle. There is even an implication that she was in the process of bedding Borlann when he met his end, and yet she did not seem to have any difficulty deploying her weapon and sending him on his way with the brilliant telltale flash of lightning that is so characteristic of that staff.
To boot, it is my understanding that it was also Kozah's Needle that she used to crack one certain drow ranger lover of hers over the head and nearly send him to his demise, as well (The Last Threshold).
Where do you get the idea that she uses a dagger? I wasn't under the impression that she even carries a dagger, from the books.
It would make sense, logically, that she could. I just don't see any evidence of it.
Recall that Gauntlgrym also told us that Dahlia does not murder her lovers, but rather challenges them to a fair fight (P1:C5). She would not want to rely on an assassin's secrecy to get the drop on a lover. She would prefer to take him on, head on.
As far as the supposed difficulty in getting the staff into bed with her, remember that it can be broken down into a pair of flails. Two two-foot bundles would be much easier to smuggle into or alongside her bed than the eight-foot-long staff.
It was my impression that it she killed them in their sleep. if so,well that might be my bad, as I found the whole neverwinter series depressing. Also that's what she said and the first rule of spys is: Don't trust the women.... in otherwords it is also quite possible that she lied and attempting to look honorable when she is not as you said and I remember very well that she challenged him and Drizzt refused. And thus as I said She's Albino Drow and no surface elf.
and that staff/flail/walkingstick if it was her only weapon at her disposal, they she would be a fool not to carry a back up weapon.
however, its still a stab in the heart no matter the weapon. one would wonder how many of her lovers actually care |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Dec 2013 : 05:52:37
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| I'd edit it, but whats the point, I'm going to go look for something and I'll ask my question here, how many ear rings did she have in her ears? the left one was for the lovers she killed right? So if there is more than just those two, than you see it could be possible she has a dagger..... well I couldn't find out on the web on how many she had, I sold those books a while back too so looking there isnt an option |
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charger_ss24
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Dec 2013 : 06:47:12
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I'd edit it, but whats the point, I'm going to go look for something and I'll ask my question here, how many ear rings did she have in her ears? the left one was for the lovers she killed right? So if there is more than just those two, than you see it could be possible she has a dagger..... well I couldn't find out on the web on how many she had, I sold those books a while back too so looking there isnt an option
According to the back cover of Gauntlgrym, it says...
"I am Dahlia Sin'felle, and I wear seven diamonds in my left ear, one for each of the lovers I have murdered, and two more small sparkling studs in my right ear for the lovers I have yet to kill. I serve Thay...for now." |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 08 Dec 2013 : 18:49:32
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Thank you charger.
it's still possible she killed them in their sleep/////
Sin'felle.... doesn't even sound like an elf name... |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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charger_ss24
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Dec 2013 : 19:46:43
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Originally posted by sfdragon
ummm no, she does it in bed, and kills them with a dagger to the heart, why would she carry a staff into her bed, it just raises to many red flags, thus as I asked is that the spider's kiss
Interesting. Do you have a source?
In Gauntlgrym, Dahlia killed both of her lovers, Themerelis the barbarian (P1:C1), and Borlann the Crow (P1:C5), using her staff, Kozah's Needle. There is even an implication that she was in the process of bedding Borlann when he met his end, and yet she did not seem to have any difficulty deploying her weapon and sending him on his way with the brilliant telltale flash of lightning that is so characteristic of that staff.
To boot, it is my understanding that it was also Kozah's Needle that she used to crack one certain drow ranger lover of hers over the head and nearly send him to his demise, as well (The Last Threshold).
Where do you get the idea that she uses a dagger? I wasn't under the impression that she even carries a dagger, from the books.
It would make sense, logically, that she could. I just don't see any evidence of it.
Recall that Gauntlgrym also told us that Dahlia does not murder her lovers, but rather challenges them to a fair fight (P1:C5). She would not want to rely on an assassin's secrecy to get the drop on a lover. She would prefer to take him on, head on.
As far as the supposed difficulty in getting the staff into bed with her, remember that it can be broken down into a pair of flails. Two two-foot bundles would be much easier to smuggle into or alongside her bed than the eight-foot-long staff.
However, the back of the books says she "murdered" her lovers. Yet, I know she battles to the death with those two, which isn't exactly murdering them. Would you consider this an editing oversight?
BTW, wasn't Dor'crea a brief lover as well? I don't remember exactly, but I thought when he died in the battle of Gauntlgrym, I vaguely remember her moving a stud from her right ear, to her left, leaving one in her right, which is Drizzt? |
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