Candlekeep Forum
Candlekeep Forum
Home | Profile | Register | Active Topics | Active Polls | Members | Private Messages | Search | FAQ
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

 All Forums
 Forgotten Realms Journals
 General Forgotten Realms Chat
 How big of a deal is Gargauth?
 New Topic  New Poll New Poll
 Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  

silverwolfer
Senior Scribe

789 Posts

Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  07:23:52  Show Profile Send silverwolfer a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
As far as impact on the realms, and published story, how big was gargauth?

Alruane
Senior Scribe

USA
434 Posts

Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  07:46:38  Show Profile Send Alruane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"He almost achieved lesser god status when his cult blossomed during the Harpstar Wars but the concerted effort of Bane, Bhaal, Loviatar and Talona crushed his followers to prevent such an occurrence."

That should give you an idea.

" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?"
~Joneleth Irenicus

"Wisdom? My dear boy, wisdom is knowing that you do not know everything. Wisdom is realizing, a wise man ALWAYS has questions. Not answers."

~Alruane
Go to Top of Page

Gary Dallison
Great Reader

United Kingdom
6361 Posts

Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  07:47:42  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Almost none at all.

He is in charge of an organisation called the Knights of the Shield, but his link to that was destroyed in 4ed as far as i know.

He is mentioned in very few places and we have nothing concrete on his actions but he was meant to be a secret mover and shaker and big baddy i believe (his goal was to pull Toril into Baator after all).

So his official impact was negligable but if ever you are looking for a mastermind for an evil plot then as long as its really nasty and devious, he is your man (or baatezu if you prefer).

Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions Candlekeep Archive
Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 1
Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 2
Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 3
Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 4
Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 5
Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 6
Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 7
Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 8
Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 9

Alternate Realms Site
Go to Top of Page

Barastir
Master of Realmslore

Brazil
1600 Posts

Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  12:43:02  Show Profile Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In 2e he is a Demipower, his story significantly linked to the Cult of the Dragon, as shown in the CoTD sourcebook and in Powers & Pantheons.

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)
Go to Top of Page

Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore

1221 Posts

Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  13:04:52  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've never considered him more than a foot note, myself.

"Then I saw there was a way to Hell even from the gates of Heaven"
- John Bunyan, Pilgrim's Progress

Fatum Iustum Stultorum. Righteous is the destiny of fools.

The Roleplayer's Gazebo;
http://theroleplayersgazebo.yuku.com/directory#.Ub4hvvlJOAY
Go to Top of Page

The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore

1847 Posts

Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  19:18:08  Show Profile Send The Arcanamach a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As far as we know at this time, his impact has been relatively minimal (unless the activities of the Knights of the Shield are more involved/complex than we know). However, he is extremely secretive and may be involved in pretty much anything a DM wants...but that's not canon/official. He's an interesting entity that deserves more detailed lore.

I have a dream that one day, all game worlds will exist as one.
Go to Top of Page

sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist

USA
11827 Posts

Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  19:18:21  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very small. As others mentioned, his main impact was with the Knights of the Shield and the fall of Peleveria. He was more of the type to leak information to another organization to get them to do his dirty work for him.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
Go to Top of Page

MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe

688 Posts

Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  22:25:03  Show Profile  Visit MrHedgehog's Homepage Send MrHedgehog a Private Message  Reply with Quote
He seems TOO evil to have a wide following. Other evil deities have many potential non evil followers/worshipers. Even most evil aligned people would see him as evil... a follower of Talos might think of Talos as a force of nature and not consider himself/his god as bad. But a god of corruption, betrayal, etc.? I have trouble imagining his faith spreading very far. No part of his portfolio necessitates worship from lay worshipers like Talona, Auril or Umberlee.

His followers make good villains in a game, though. In my mind I ciew 4e Asmodeus as Gargauth because I don't like Asmodeus being made into a deity. I can't imagine many other than tieflings worshiping him in large numbers.

Gargauth is described as an entity only the foolish and insane would worship. He harms and betrays his worshipers. In Bezantur his temple has rituals that involve the death of followers. By his very nature he an enemy of all.
Go to Top of Page

MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe

688 Posts

Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  22:26:09  Show Profile  Visit MrHedgehog's Homepage Send MrHedgehog a Private Message  Reply with Quote
He seems TOO evil to have a wide following. Other evil deities have many potential non evil followers/worshipers. Even most evil aligned people would see him as evil... a follower of Talos might think of Talos as a force of nature and not consider himself/his god as bad. But a god of corruption, betrayal, etc.? I have trouble imagining his faith spreading very far. No part of his portfolio necessitates worship from lay worshipers like Talona, Auril or Umberlee.

His followers make good villains in a game, though. In my mind I ciew 4e Asmodeus as Gargauth because I don't like Asmodeus being made into a deity. I can't imagine many other than tieflings worshiping him in large numbers.

Gargauth is described as an entity only the foolish and insane would worship. He harms and betrays his worshipers. In Bezantur his temple has rituals that involve the death of followers. By his very nature he an enemy of all.
Go to Top of Page

Gyor
Master of Realmslore

1625 Posts

Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  22:58:31  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
He's dangerous enough that Asmodeaus doesn't dare send any devils against him, not even Archdevils, any devil he kills he absorbs thier powers.
Go to Top of Page

The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore

1847 Posts

Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  23:50:58  Show Profile Send The Arcanamach a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Methinks that Gargauth and Asmodeaus have a secret arrangement but I have no proof of that.

I have a dream that one day, all game worlds will exist as one.
Go to Top of Page

Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore

1221 Posts

Posted - 05 Dec 2013 :  23:03:06  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm more inclined to think that Gargauth thinks he and Asmodeus have an arrangement, when in fact he's just another of Asmodeus' pawns.

Of course, I may be biased.

"Then I saw there was a way to Hell even from the gates of Heaven"
- John Bunyan, Pilgrim's Progress

Fatum Iustum Stultorum. Righteous is the destiny of fools.

The Roleplayer's Gazebo;
http://theroleplayersgazebo.yuku.com/directory#.Ub4hvvlJOAY
Go to Top of Page
  Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
 New Topic  New Poll New Poll
 Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Jump To:
Candlekeep Forum © 1999-2024 Candlekeep.com Go To Top Of Page
Snitz Forums 2000