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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 22 Oct 2013 : 14:11:07
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I've been reading Lesser Evils and it makes several references to the Weave while Farideh is learning ritual magic. Is that just an oversight? What's the deal?
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
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Posted - 22 Oct 2013 : 19:38:57
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| Wasn't she learning ritual magic from a pre-spellplague book? That would explain it. |
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ErinMEvans
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 22 Oct 2013 : 20:03:56
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The way it's always been explained to me is that post-Spellplague, the remains of the Weave exist but aren't fully connected or functioning, and so what is more difficult about magic is finding ways to make those "threads" and "remnants" function for you. So the intent is that ritual magic is one way of making the remains of the Weave work, albeit briefly and in limited fashion.
So I have to figure that, post-Spellplague, people kept referring to these remains as "the Weave" while acknowledging it's not what it used to be, to the point that occasionally it shortens from "the remains of the Weave" to just "the Weave." That's a linguistic thing more than a technical explanation. The Weave as it is--broken--is all these people really know.
I don't remember if I said just the Weave or something more like "pieces of the Weave." The former probably could have been clarified better to the latter, if I did that. :)
Make sense? |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Oct 2013 : 23:08:55
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| I think so. Thanks. |
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Oct 2013 : 23:13:45
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ErinMEvans
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Lilianviaten
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Oct 2013 : 03:37:19
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Originally posted by ErinMEvans
The way it's always been explained to me is that post-Spellplague, the remains of the Weave exist but aren't fully connected or functioning, and so what is more difficult about magic is finding ways to make those "threads" and "remnants" function for you. So the intent is that ritual magic is one way of making the remains of the Weave work, albeit briefly and in limited fashion.
So I have to figure that, post-Spellplague, people kept referring to these remains as "the Weave" while acknowledging it's not what it used to be, to the point that occasionally it shortens from "the remains of the Weave" to just "the Weave." That's a linguistic thing more than a technical explanation. The Weave as it is--broken--is all these people really know.
I don't remember if I said just the Weave or something more like "pieces of the Weave." The former probably could have been clarified better to the latter, if I did that. :)
Make sense?
That's how I understood it too. But if that's the case, how did wizards like Szass Tam and Gromph Baenre grow more powerful after the spellplague?
I would think that the Spellplague would have evened out the character classes by reigning in the power of demigod level wizards. But it didn't do that.
It just seems to me that with magic being much more difficult to use, even powerful wizards should have been taken down a notch. Otherwise, the Weave doesn't have any particular necessity. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Oct 2013 : 04:15:46
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| With the Weave being "tattered" it is left to individual wizards to grab as much of it as they can or would like to...so a powerful wizard can gather more because he is no longer restricted...only thing I can think of. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Oct 2013 : 14:15:10
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
That's how I understood it too. But if that's the case, how did wizards like Szass Tam and Gromph Baenre grow more powerful after the spellplague?
To not roll over and die.. to not run around like a chicken without a head.
They got more powerful because their lesser got weaker. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Oct 2013 : 14:24:00
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| Makes sense, it not that they become stronger its just that others became a lot weaker. Plus chaotic times tend to favor the ruthless so I am sure there were ample opportunities for them to strengthen themselves at the expense of others. |
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phranctoast
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Posted - 23 Oct 2013 : 16:25:59
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| Don't know what Gromph did, but didn't Szass Tam more or less sell his soul into servitude to Bane for this? |
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ErinMEvans
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 23 Oct 2013 : 18:24:23
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Originally posted by phranctoast
Don't know what Gromph did, but didn't Szass Tam more or less sell his soul into servitude to Bane for this?
This was my impression.
Again, I've always thought it's still possible to become incredibly powerful with the the "broken Weave." It's just not anywhere as easy--you're kind of starting over on the "how" (and a lot of the peers you could borrow from probably went mad or died in the Spellplague) and yeah, it seems like there's not as much to go around.
It's like one day all cars suddenly fall apart(FOR REASONS.) and the refineries vanish. You could theoretically be the kind of person who can rebuild that car and find and hold onto enough gas to drive your new car around. Most people are going to just walk or ride a bike or think of something new,because even if they had the first idea of how to build a car, they're not going to be able to snag enough gas. But if you force a gas station magnate to give you as much gas as you want, in exchange for your immortal soul...
...this might have gone off the rails a little. I should get back to work. |
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 23 Oct 2013 : 18:38:23
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I think that there are basically two kinds of high level wizards... those who constantly reach for more power and those who have spent a lifetime mastering every subtlety of the art. The latter group is much rarer. Mystra's chosen fall into it (and there are a few stories in the Anthologies that demonstrate this). I would put Gromph into it, as well. Remember when Menzoberranzan was burning and all the other students and masters of sorcere were there trying to control the fire - only Gromph had the insight to solve the problem.
I think of the tattered Weave the same way (very much like the problems of Mystra's previous death) - those who grasp at the edges of magical power without truly understanding it are at a loss when the Weave shifts. Masters are able to look into the Weave and comprehend its changes. They can adapt, instantly surpassing all those who cannot.
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Tanthalas
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Posted - 23 Oct 2013 : 19:15:33
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My personal interpretation concerning post-spellplague magic was that "Weave-based" magic wasn't more powerful, but rather more structured and refined. Probably "Weave-based" magic was easier to learn too.
If I'm not mistaken, Bane didn't "upgrade" Szass Tam when they did their deal, he only taught (I think it was actually a clue) Szass that the secret to being able to use magic was to do away with all the refineries introduced by the Weave and treat it as a more primal thing.
If Szass and Gromph indeed grew more powerful post-spellplague, it might simply be because their magic was no longer being restricted by the Weave. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Oct 2013 : 19:42:46
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| Look to The Companions. The scene in Shade when the Weave is restored. All the lesser mages were panics, but what's her name was calm and told them to dust off the old books. It's that kind of level headiness and determination that would keep the top wizards on top. |
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Lesser Evils... the Weave?
