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Plaguescarred
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 01 Sep 2013 : 14:42:03
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During last night's D&D Live Game at PAX Prime 2013, Acquisiion Incorporated battling to control a giant statue of Halaster Blackcloak destroyed a couple of ins, tavers and shops in Waterdeep after emerging from Undermountains while fighting a tarrasque. After slaying the beast, their CEO Omin Dran was appointed Marked Lord of Waterdeep!
Wonder if this will be cannonized in the next Forgotten Realms campaign setting?
You can view a replay of the D&D Live game here (05:29:58 in) www.twitch.tv/pax/b/454362945
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Edited by - Plaguescarred on 01 Sep 2013 14:44:09
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Plaguescarred
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 01 Sep 2013 : 14:45:12
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| Chris Perkins as Bhaal was awesome too!! |
Yan
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Edited by - Plaguescarred on 01 Sep 2013 14:45:23 |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 01:53:48
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Don't be a bigot, suck my spigot!
uhg..hahah
One complaint, I wish I could have watched it in a lower quality, that took way way way to long to load and load and load. |
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 12:23:10
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Originally posted by Plaguescarred
Wonder if this will be cannonized in the next Forgotten Realms campaign setting?
A big NO. No, no and no.
While it may be entertaining to watch, that event should NOT become canon.
It reminded me too much of a movie where a giant robot (in this case statue) fights against a monster.
The lair of the Tarrasque was established by lore to be in the Anauroch region. A Tarrasque is a unique being and with the one in the Anauroch being in itīs lair, a second one would have to be created through a powerfull magical ritual that requires several dragon heads.
Furthermore having THREE "chosen" characters and direct talks to a god is way over the top.
As i said, nice entertainment but definatly NOT material for canonizing.
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 16:21:39
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| Bane, have you seen any books lately, I seem to remember oh 7 chosen that talk to their god directly. Oh and they were sisters... |
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
479 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 16:42:49
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Let me elaborate my problem with the "chosen" in this matter.
The cleric, came from another world, then converted to Tymora and then suddenly is a "chosen" in a short time who then gets a direct link to the goddess? Sorry but that is pulling too much weight for me.
Then another player character was portrayed as chosen of Milil in a podcast prior to the event, not characters in a story but an actual player character. Itīs fine if itīs a homebrew campaign where you can do things your way but for a canon approach for those things, a big NO. |
The driving force in the multiverse is evil, for it forces good to act. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 16:45:09
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Originally posted by Plaguescarred
During last night's D&D Live Game at PAX Prime 2013, Acquisiion Incorporated battling to control a giant statue of Halaster Blackcloak destroyed a couple of ins, tavers and shops in Waterdeep after emerging from Undermountains while fighting a tarrasque. After slaying the beast, their CEO Omin Dran was appointed Marked Lord of Waterdeep!
Wonder if this will be cannonized in the next Forgotten Realms campaign setting?
After watching this, I have to say that I was really unimpressed and put off by most of it. Honestly, my opinion of Perkins slips lower and lower every time I see something like this.
If it was only that it seriously lacked in the realism that I prefer in the Realms, that would be one thing. But seriously, a giant Halaster-robot? Gay gnome "juice" robot? Come on.
This was just a massive goofball session filled with "yuk yuk" fart jokes, gay jokes, ridiculous monsters, and low-end sexual humor ("did those dryads give you wood? HAR HAR!"). Awful.
Low-brow humor like this is what I'd expect from a bunch of stupid teenage boys with out of control hormones. Or a parody of gamers. Extremely disappointing.
If this is "typical play in the Realms" for Perkins or even remotely close, then I think I understand much better why 4E Realms happened. No respect for the material, no depth, no importance to history over time, nothing. Explains 4E Realms perfectly.
And I can't even believe the suggestion of making this canon. You can't possibly be serious. This was just ridiculous low-brow pandering to a juvenile audience. It had -zero- to do with the actual Realms.
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
479 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 17:03:14
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Humor can be ok in your game, but i agree with you Therise, it was a goofball session with the rogue/bard and the cleric being the most "serious" ones. The giant "robot" thing did put me off aswell as the appearance of the tarrasque and then one of the players ending up a masked lord. They are supposed to be secret and then one gets picked by the people that everyone knows of? Thatīs not hidden.
It was a typical "fun romp" for D&D, fitting for the core setting, not the realms and it did not catch the flair and flavour of the Forgotten Realms at all.
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 18:53:52
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| I wouldn't worry about any of it being considered lore and not all of the jokes were Chris Perkins' fault. |
"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
The original and unapologetic Arilyn, Aribeth, Seoni Fanboy. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 19:40:35
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I totally agree that humor is excellent in gaming. Essential, even. But a huge stretch of really crude gay/semen jokes was just disgusting.
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 22:16:32
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| I wouldn't take these too seriously, it's all fun and games and bad jokes to keep the live audience engaged. There's no canonicity of the material here. Even if there were, it would mostly be the character name used in the writeup and it's a shade better than some of the "Realms" names we've gotten in the past. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 23:58:03
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The overwhelming majority of Live RPGA events have never been canonized. Look at where all that Living Realms and Living Greyhawk material never ended up ... stuff like the City of Ravens Bluff is about as wild as it ever got.
Although theres no reason the core story and events from this particular play session to be entirely forgotten, they might appear in some Dragon issue. I very much doubt that fill-in Chosens, the Tarrasque rampaging Waterdeep, and other such fare will ever be canonized. |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
789 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2013 : 01:42:14
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| STll want to know what adventure they played ._. my players would love that one. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Sep 2013 : 05:28:05
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| what the ceo is now the masked lord?? the deity of thieves, shadows and all else that was once mask? |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
http://steelfiredragon.deviantart.com/gallery/33539234 |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
789 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2013 : 06:37:57
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Plaguescarred
Learned Scribe
Canada
190 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2013 : 23:47:08
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Originally posted by TheriseI can't even believe the suggestion of making this canon. You can't possibly be serious. This was just ridiculous low-brow pandering to a juvenile audience. It had -zero- to do with the actual Realms.
I didn't suggest it would, i only said i was wondering if it would be canonized, as it was run by a WoTC employee. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 00:14:49
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Originally posted by Plaguescarred
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Originally posted by Therise
I can't even believe the suggestion of making this canon. You can't possibly be serious. This was just ridiculous low-brow pandering to a juvenile audience. It had -zero- to do with the actual Realms.
I didn't suggest it would, i only said i was wondering if it would be canonized, as it was run by a WoTC employee.
Actually, you did. Asking a hypothetical question -automatically- plants the suggestion of it's possibility. It's one of the oldest tricks in politics: "Senator, is there any truth to the rumor that... XYZ?" There may not even have been a rumor. But once you ask about any hypothetical, it becomes planted as a possibility. Also, just mentioning the word "canon" is inherently provocative.
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Plaguescarred
Learned Scribe
Canada
190 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 04:08:40
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| Sorry it wasn't my intention and i didn't want to provoke anyone. I was just wondering... |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 04:13:55
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The OP didn't suggest making the event canon. Instead he asked a question.
The OP clarified his opening question by providing his reasoning for asking it.
It really shouldn't be that hard to take him at his word.
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Originally posted by Plaguescarred
Sorry it wasn't my intention and i didn't want to provoke anyone. I was just wondering...
Don't worry. You didn't provoke anyone. There's nothing for you to apologize for. |
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Plaguescarred
Learned Scribe
Canada
190 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 04:34:02
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| Thanks Jeremy all good then :) |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 05:42:11
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by Plaguescarred
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Originally posted by Therise
I can't even believe the suggestion of making this canon. You can't possibly be serious. This was just ridiculous low-brow pandering to a juvenile audience. It had -zero- to do with the actual Realms.
I didn't suggest it would, i only said i was wondering if it would be canonized, as it was run by a WoTC employee.
Actually, you did. Asking a hypothetical question -automatically- plants the suggestion of it's possibility. It's one of the oldest tricks in politics: "Senator, is there any truth to the rumor that... XYZ?" There may not even have been a rumor. But once you ask about any hypothetical, it becomes planted as a possibility. Also, just mentioning the word "canon" is inherently provocative.
Oh chill out.
It only is provocative, if you don't remember that this is all fantasy, and even it if it was cannon, would probably not be anymore then a footnote, right before or right after the time jump we probably will have with the sundering.
I swear some folks argue over ridiculous things, as if they think they are fighting with Learned Scribe. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 06:23:37
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| Okay, I think the topic of whether or not this could become canon has been adequately discussed. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 07:19:07
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
Oh chill out.
It only is provocative, if you don't remember that this is all fantasy, and even it if it was cannon, would probably not be anymore then a footnote, right before or right after the time jump we probably will have with the sundering.
I swear some folks argue over ridiculous things, as if they think they are fighting with Learned Scribe.
Uhm... what? 
In no way am I irked, upset, or even remotely fighting with anyone. When I expressed my total incredulity over the "is it canon?" question, it wasn't that I was angry.
I swear, sometimes this site is like a litmus test.
It's pretty obvious that:
a) it wasn't a real adventure.
b) everything about it was just silly / crude jokes.
I simply could not believe that anyone would seriously ask if it was going to be canon. It was provocative in that way, not in the "let's talk super serious and argue" kind of way. My subsequent response was meant even more as a "hey buddy, I totally get that you're yanking our chain" with a facepalm attached, but I guess that blue paper turned red after all. For several people.
So, you know... no bigs, it's all good.
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Female, 40-year DM of a homebrew-evolved 1E Realms, including a few added tidbits of 2E and 3E lore; played originally in AD&D, then in Rolemaster. Be a DM for your kids and grandkids, gaming is excellent for families! |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 11:53:26
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Originally posted by Lord Bane
It reminded me too much of a movie where a giant robot (in this case statue) fights against a monster.
*cough* Like <this>? cough
Oh, no, there goes Waterdeep
Go, go, Tarrasque!
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"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
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<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
479 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 13:06:15
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Well yes, i was thinking of everyones favorite giant lizard laying waste to the japanese captial, but not with Blue Oyster Cult background music
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
Learned Scribe
USA
324 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2013 : 06:37:58
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| I didn't watch this and, after reading some of the other posts, probably never will. |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Sep 2013 : 06:45:44
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<-< okay lets retool the thread, we hit negative levels real quick.
AS far as the system goes, that they showed, if it they showed real portions of it, and not just play acting. I did enjoy how smooth the reactions went, on dice rolling. |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 06 Sep 2013 : 12:44:43
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All the bad schtick in these public games is on purpose. Whether it is good or bad, it just is. It's meant to illicit some laughs and to see people goofing around while playing D&D. I would highly doubt any of it ever makes it into canon. There might be a fleeting reference, such as a funny fiction story some character retells while sitting around a tavern, but I don't believe it would be an actual event that took place in the realms.
It was enjoyable for what it is, and not for anything more: a group of guys, some of whom are celebrities, playing Dungeons & Dragons. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 06 Sep 2013 : 15:10:13
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Originally posted by Drustan Dwnhaedan
I didn't watch this and, after reading some of the other posts, probably never will.
Agreed.
I had to bite my tongue, though, when Therise pointed-out (quite astutely) WHY 4e was what it was (a bunch of gamers wanting to recapture that feeling they had when they were 14). As nostalgia, it worked great. As a serious, modern (2013) game session... JUST NO.
D&D is not about having fun - its about memorizing hundreds of rulebooks verbatim, spending months rolling up charatcers, and then spending years arguing over who goes first in combat, what feats and classes are allowed, and why no-one remembered to bring the Doritoes. You are not so supposed actually play this game, merely discuss it ad-infinitum...
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Sep 2013 : 15:50:25
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Originally posted by Matt James
All the bad schtick in these public games is on purpose. Whether it is good or bad, it just is. It's meant to illicit some laughs and to see people goofing around while playing D&D. I would highly doubt any of it ever makes it into canon. There might be a fleeting reference, such as a funny fiction story some character retells while sitting around a tavern, but I don't believe it would be an actual event that took place in the realms.
It was enjoyable for what it is, and not for anything more: a group of guys, some of whom are celebrities, playing Dungeons & Dragons.
There's a deep level of irony here, though, which I find even funnier. For decades, TSR and WotC have tried to bring women into gaming, and to make it an open and safe gaming environment for people of all persuasions.
And yet, in 2013, "on purpose" we still see company-endorsed examples of game-play that feature near-constant streams of sexist and homophobic jokes. And people still defending the stereotypical crass teen-boy gamer as "entertaining" and "enjoyable".
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Female, 40-year DM of a homebrew-evolved 1E Realms, including a few added tidbits of 2E and 3E lore; played originally in AD&D, then in Rolemaster. Be a DM for your kids and grandkids, gaming is excellent for families! |
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 06 Sep 2013 : 17:36:28
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
<-< okay lets retool the thread, we hit negative levels real quick.
Er, sorry if i came across as a hater in my last post, that wasn't my intent. Perhaps I should have posted something more along the lines of, "This sort of stuff isn't my cup of tea." Or just said nothing (probably should've done that). |
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Acquisition Incorporated CEO appointed Marked Lord
