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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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 Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 06:52:01
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Last week, I started putting together a three-part series of adventures based around mostly the Celestial Empire of Shou Lung, located deep in the realm of Kara-Tur, but it will also have the party travelling back and forth (through the Plane of Shadow) to the western portion of Faerun. This series will include elements of Planescape (obviously  ), elements of the 3e Oriental Adventures tome that details the L5R realm of Rokugan, and a large part of the adventures will focus on Spelljamming through Realmspace (mostly, although Bralspace will have a certain part to play).
Anyway, while putting together some of the themes and ideas behind this massive project I came to think about how many other FR DMs still use Kara-Tur, or elements of the OA (2e/3e) tome in their Realms games...?
So, I want to hear from you, about what you have included in your games, what you might want to include should the opportunity ever arise, and what elements of the setting you think are most appropriate to focus upon when playing in the Realms Oriental environment.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 06:57:52
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As a bonus, I also intend to post a small selection of the many things I intend to create, or use in these campaigns (all in 3e stats [hopefully]) from spells, to weapons, to PrCs, and even the ocassional SJ ship...Not only will this provide some interesting items that other scribes here may wish to use, but it will also most likely generate some discussion on the various 3e interpretations I have made on 2e FR/OA/PS/SJ aspects.
So keep watching this scroll, especially if you are a Kara-Tur fan...
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Cyric
Senior Scribe
Norway
388 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 10:31:40
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| wel one thing you shuld take with you is Cyric but i be reading this any way what you write is usaley fun to read |
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Jacinth Greyfox
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 11:31:48
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I am starting to sort out something using the Mahasarpa web enhancement. I recently finished reading a really good book about the Mughal Empire so intend to place Mahasarpa somewhere to the south of the maps in the Horde Boxed set and have the Zakharans be in regular contact with Mahasarpa to allow me to use Al-qadim material as well.
Just need to do a lot of research on Indian Mythology and Monsters for "flavour" and to get some info. for a Mahasarpa pantheon based on Indian Gods i would imagine.
I don't own OA (yet!) so will probably just use amended character classes from the core rule books. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 14:09:04
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Originally posted by Jacinth Greyfox
I am starting to sort out something using the Mahasarpa web enhancement. I recently finished reading a really good book about the Mughal Empire so intend to place Mahasarpa somewhere to the south of the maps in the Horde Boxed set and have the Zakharans be in regular contact with Mahasarpa to allow me to use Al-qadim material as well.
Just need to do a lot of research on Indian Mythology and Monsters for "flavour" and to get some info. for a Mahasarpa pantheon based on Indian Gods i would imagine.
I don't own OA (yet!) so will probably just use amended character classes from the core rule books.
Hmmm...I hadn't actually thought about using anything from the Horde boxed set, but it may be worthwhile looking through it for some details I could use...
Anyway, that book about the Mughal Empire, was that the recent one that has just been published (I can't remember by who), and written by Dr Alfred R. Thomson...? I only ask because I just read that same book at a month ago...
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 15:43:44
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Originally posted by Cyric
wel one thing you shuld take with you is Cyric but i be reading this any way what you write is usaley fun to read
I've finally realised who you are. You are King Tiax in disguise aren't you.
I'd forgotten just how frustrating it was to find a completely irrelevant posting in the middle of an interesting thread (in Tiax's case they were about Dwarves).
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 17:55:34
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Here here Kahonen.
Cyric, please don't take offense to this, but can you please stop posting in the middle of Posts, that are totally unrealated to Cyric, about Cyric. We all know that you follow him, but there is no excuse for this. If you have a valid point to make, then no-one will stop you from making it, infact we will praise you for it. Please can you stop these Childish posts.
But as I say please do not take offense to this.
Anyway. Sage, could you please explain the political situation, in Kara-Tur to me, I have read a short peice on the internet, and found that it didn't help too much. This is a project that i would enjoy getting involved with.
Hanx
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Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
-The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe |
Edited by - Elrond Half Elven on 31 Jan 2004 18:16:44 |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 19:15:48
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| Sage, have you read the "Unapproachable East" manual? There's quite a lot of info on the East and even some on Kara-Tur and some items. You know, there really isn't a lot of info on Kara-Tur since it is supposed to be a far away land. However, it is based a lot on ancient Chinese and Japanese history. For example, Kara-Tur's borders are protected by a long and magical wall. Lol. Great Wall of China, anyone? |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 19:17:38
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Originally posted by kahonen
I've finally realised who you are. You are King Tiax in disguise aren't you.
I'd forgotten just how frustrating it was to find a completely irrelevant posting in the middle of an interesting thread (in Tiax's case they were about Dwarves).
Thank you for reminding me.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 19:29:59
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Originally posted by Cyric
wel one thing you shuld take with you is Cyric but i be reading this any way what you write is usaley fun to read
I agree with the others. Consider how annoying it would be if every other post I yelled, "WHOOOO-HOOOO! MY GOD IS VHAERAUN AND HE'S SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOUR DEITY!!!" Ahem, well, you see my point. |
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"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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RaVeN1463
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Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 21:28:46
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maybe cyric should start a post just about Cyric and if anyone cares which i doubt
they can read it |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 21:40:33
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| Actually I started a post some time ago called the Faults of Cyric, talking about how insane Cyric was. Quite humorous..... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
514 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 21:55:23
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Hrrrm, guys you are getting of topic. Any how there are books to find about Kara-Tur, just to bad they are out of print. I guess plains walking or SJ is about the fastest and "safest" way to travel between Faerun and distant Kara-Tur since I remeber reading somwhere that it is rather difficult to make accurate use of the teleportation spell.
For those of you wanting some more info on Kara-Tur the link below can be used (be warned tough since most of the material isn't Canon)
http://www.prespos.crosswinds.net/KTtER.htm |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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1298 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 22:00:04
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Ah, Sorry Hymn, its just hat his arrogance galls me. O well..... I'd best run before alaundo comes along with his dreaded staff again........ |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 04:04:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Elrond Half Elven
Here here Kahonen.
Cyric, please don't take offense to this, but can you please stop posting in the middle of Posts, that are totally unrealated to Cyric, about Cyric. We all know that you follow him, but there is no excuse for this. If you have a valid point to make, then no-one will stop you from making it, infact we will praise you for it. Please can you stop these Childish posts.
But as I say please do not take offense to this.
Anyway. Sage, could you please explain the political situation, in Kara-Tur to me, I have read a short peice on the internet, and found that it didn't help too much. This is a project that i would enjoy getting involved with.
Hanx
Elrond
Elrond, I'm actually working on a (sort-of) political piece for Shou Lung, and the greater region of Kara-Tur at the moment. If you can wait a few more days, I may be able to post the first part (which is still mostly in note form) that details the Shou Ministry of War, and Ministry of Glorious Flight with regards to details on my views of Shou Spelljamming in Realmspace.
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Jacinth Greyfox
Acolyte
United Kingdom
35 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 09:51:13
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Sage ,that book on the Mughal rulers of India was The Mughal Throne: The Saga of India's great emperors by Abraham Eralay.
Hymn, as well as walking or SJ remember theres the Markers of Bezentil in the Great Dale. Although the Circle of Leth wouldnt be too amused if you started using them to "commute" to Kara-Tur. |
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 12:48:54
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Thank thee Sage I'll wait for you to finish this piece if thats ok.
I've always been interested in Kara-Tur, however none of my players liked the oriental feeling so we never tried it. I'd love to do what every I can to help you Sage.
If anyone has any webresources on Kara-Tur could you please send me to them.
Hanx
Elrond |
Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 13:15:35
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Elrond, I've made use of some material from a number of online resources. The first is the Kara-Tur Articles site. It has some useful information on the region, as well as articles that detail material from the Oriental Adventures tome, both 2nd and 3rd edition.
Another useful site is the Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms page. It's full of Kara-Turian information sometimes summarised directly from the sourcebooks in FR 2e.
I hope these help you in your quest for knowledge Elrond...
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 13:44:22
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Thank thee, Graciously Sage. Indeed these scrolls shall instruct me in the first part of learning about Foreign realms. Kara-Tur today Maztica tomorrow !
Perhaps Sage my learning may get to a stage that I will be able to help others .
If you want my help with anything Sage just ask, I'll be more than glad to help!
Hanx
Elrond |
Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 15:06:45
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I appreciate the offer Elrond, especially now that so many of my current 'projects' seem to be approaching the final development stages. I'll let you know about something on Kara-Tur that you may be able to help me with.
Or maybe something on the Realmspace portion on these adventures. Are you familiar with the varied aspects of Wildspace in the Realms crystal sphere...?
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 15:32:00
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I am not Sage however, one of my D&D groups run a Space jammer campaign just before I joined it. I could ask for the books and read up on it. I Also saw a sectino on that website that you send me to, I had a quick passing look at it.
Hanx
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Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2004 : 14:41:57
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At last, I have finally finished a number of small portions to the campaign, and they're now ready for comment -
The Shou Fleet
As is mentioned every time a dragonship is described, the Shou take a practical approach to spelljamming. Unlike most groundling nations, they purpose build their vessels for wildspace. Indeed, a Shou dragonship is a solid ship by any standard. Still, the Shou are not a major political presence outside of Realmspace because they concentrate their energies on exploration and the hunt for curiosities. Shou traders are not unknown, but they are few and far between. The majority of Shou vessels are owned by the Imperial government; their numbers rise and fall with the flucuations in the political fortunes of the Ministry of Glorious Flight (the department responsible for most Shou spelljammers: see Shou Lung: Science page 29 for the origins of this relatively small ministry).
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2004 : 14:44:40
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[Due to slight changes in the evolving campaign storyline, this section will need to be revised - Please be patient].
The Sage...
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 Mar 2004 : 14:47:47
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[Again, due to slight changes in the evolving campaign storyline, this section will need to be revised - Please be patient].
The Sage...
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Edited by - The Sage on 19 Mar 2004 05:10:01 |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
514 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2004 : 22:31:32
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| Looks ok to me, I remember reading about that dragon ship incident against the horde somewhere but can't for the life of me figure out where. |
Sauro moki kara ochiro - Even monkeys falls from trees.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2004 : 03:31:06
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Indeed...in fact that little reference that I read years ago, is probably what prompted me to expand upon what we knew then.
Anyway, I still have some information to post, which will build upon what is presented here...It should be ready soon.
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
514 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 18:10:38
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| Cool, guess I will have to continue to read about the horde campaign wars then, as for now at least. |
Sauro moki kara ochiro - Even monkeys falls from trees.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 03:48:16
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I still have a little more to say about the realm of Shou Lung, it's Spelljammer fleet, and it's overall involvement in the Tuigan campaigns, but I've also tried to expand beyond that. I didn't want the Tuigan Wars to be what ultimately defined the basis of the Shou Spelljammer fleet, and that should become evident as more of my work is presented...
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 05:13:42
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[Special note: I've taken down two portions of the material I had previously presented, due to conflicting issues with areas of the plot. These portions will now need to be revised to reflect the changes made to certain areas of the campaign]
The new 'revised' portions should be re-posted sometime next week...
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Belfar
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 05:46:34
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| Well its been a while since I last posted but anyways back to the topic. I was interested in setting a campaign in Kara-Tur also and was wondering if you, Sage (or anyone else), had any maps of Kara-Tur. I'd really appreciate anything you could send my way. |
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Kara-Tur, the Unknown...
