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Sandisk
Acolyte
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 Posted - 19 Aug 2013 : 20:16:06
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Originally posted by jornan
-Regis...is now awesome. I couldn't help feeling like he was a little bit of a Regis mash with Oliver de Burrows reincarnate Realms style. Anyone else notice this?
Yes indeed and I posted this on Salvatores forum:
For those of you who have read The Crimson Shadow series by Salvatore. It seems like Regis now draws heavily upon Oliver deBurrows as a character, not necessarily a bad thing though.
"RAS.COM: Out of all your books, which character is your all time favorite, and why?
RAS: Tough question. I'd have to say that Drizzt is my favorite, because I know him best, and heck, he was my voice through so many (now 11) novels. Oliver deBurrows, my highwayhalfling cross between Inego Montoya (The Princess bride) and the little French guy on the wall in Monty Python's Holy Grail, was the most fun to write, along with Pikel Bouldershoulder of the Cleric Quintet."
From wikipeadia (notice the items he wears :) ):
Oliver deBurrows
Oliver Burrows aka Oliver deBurrows is a "highway-halfling" from Gascony. He is first seen robbing a stagecoach. Luthien, seeing that Oliver was in trouble, rushes out to save him. An incorrigible thief, Oliver travels with Luthien to Montfort where they start a life stealing from the corrupt and wealthy and occasionally helping out the meager and impoverished. Oliver is one of Luthien's closest companions and is always there for Luthien. Oliver wields a rapier and main gauche and is given the "House-Breaker", a magically enchanted harness with useful and equally magical tools in its pouches, by the wizard Brind'Amour. |
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jornan
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2013 : 03:10:53
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| Now that you mention in about Wulfgar in TLT I remember that part. Nice! I like that little nugget of foreshadowing....smart! |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 20 Aug 2013 : 04:21:20
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Originally posted by Arcanus
I think it was towards the end of the book when Drizzt was searching for Iruladoon. He visited the tundra tribes and saw a particular child.
That's it, he was described more of a boy then a child though.
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Originally posted by jornan
Now that you mention in about Wulfgar in TLT I remember that part. Nice! I like that little nugget of foreshadowing....smart!
Yeap. :)
Don't forget, Aegis-fang was also in this scene being wield by someone other then the reborn Wulfgar. Hence my desire for a Wulfgar short story. |
"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
The original and unapologetic Arilyn, Aribeth, Seoni Fanboy. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2013 : 21:54:30
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Originally posted by charger_ss24
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
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Originally posted by jornan
-Whoa! Wulfgar decided to come back. I was please with his decision not to come back....made sense, but I couldn't help but smile and be happy at the end of the book. I do like the thought that he might not actually be Wulfgar though!
You suggesting Wulfgar might actually be Lolth? Wow, that hadn't even crossed my mind! Wouldn't that be a twist...
I'm not thinking it's Lloth. I'm thinking it's one of Jarlaxle, Beniago or Braelin Janquay (who was spying for Jarlaxle on the ruffians battle with Catti-brie and Regis) and that magical mask that Jarlaxle has/had to assume another identity. Though I'm not sure that mask can clone the identity of another such as Wulfgar.
Well I'm thinking that Guen wouldnt nuzzle up to any of those. I think it is Wulfgar And RA is messing with us......and surely he wont do the whole Wulgar controlled by a demon thing again would he (Wulfgar has already been controlled by two deomns, Errtu and Liquor) |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Aug 2013 : 22:10:31
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I'm pretty sure it is the real Wulfgar. But remember, this is a Wulfgar who lived out a full life into old age, had a new family and everything. We didn't get to "see" his experiences as a reborn youth, and there's a -lot- of his life as an older (and finally old) man that we also don't really know. He may also have some interesting ties to his new parents and his tribe, just as each of the other Companions has some very new links/ties to the current era.
I'm pretty excited to not only see the rest of the Sundering novels but also the future "next four" books Salvatore mentioned about the Companions and where they will go from here. I have no doubt that they will clash or at least come into contact with Jarlaxle and Kimmuriel, but also probably (almost certainly) Dahlia, Entreri and crew.
Further, I'm also -very- curious about the "promised favor" that each of them now owes to Mielikki. She's definitely playing a long and complex game, as are most of the gods it seems.
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 03:50:04
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I'm curious about the favor too.
The meeting between Dahlia and Catti'brie will be...interesting. They are almost sure to encounter each other at some point. |
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Drizztsmanchild
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 04:05:11
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I'm curious about the favor too.
The meeting between Dahlia and Catti'brie will be...interesting. They are almost sure to encounter each other at some point.
They are still in the same area. At least that's what I assume since Bruenor approached the camp where Afernene and friends were before he went up to the Climb. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 04:12:33
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| Yeah, I know they are, so it probably be long, unless they totally miss each other, for some reason. |
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Drizztsmanchild
Learned Scribe
USA
228 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 06:14:29
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Yeah, I know they are, so it probably be long, unless they totally miss each other, for some reason.
Lol. I doubt the battle between Dahlia and Catti-Brie will be long either. Pity Dahlia. Because I highly doubt R.A.S would have done all this just to have Cat make a brief appearance. |
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Drizztsmanchild
Learned Scribe
USA
228 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 06:24:01
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Yeah, I know they are, so it probably be long, unless they totally miss each other, for some reason.
Although, I just re-read the ending of The Last Threshold. Entreri and companions went to the dwarves, and then went to Luskan. I highly doubt they do run into each other the next book. But Entreri might have a reunion with "Jax" :-) |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 13:57:37
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Originally posted by Drizztsmanchild
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Yeah, I know they are, so it probably be long, unless they totally miss each other, for some reason.
Lol. I doubt the battle between Dahlia and Catti-Brie will be long either. Pity Dahlia. Because I highly doubt R.A.S would have done all this just to have Cat make a brief appearance.
If Cattie kills Dahlia, I will buy five copies of that novel to give away. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 24 Aug 2013 : 17:20:42
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Just finished this book. It was very good and I liked the way everything came together in the end. I was starting to wonder when my Kindle was showing 98% complete and RAS was still trying to get everyone to the table :)
I look forward the the next series by RAS as well as the rest of the Sundering Novels.
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 25 Aug 2013 : 23:21:30
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Originally posted by Therise
Further, I'm also -very- curious about the "promised favor" that each of them now owes to Mielikki. She's definitely playing a long and complex game, as are most of the gods it seems.
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I'm curious about the favor too.
Not that I'm going to argue that there couldn't be more to it then this.. but what if Mielikki sent them back for no other reason then to prevent Drizzt from dying? If not, I'm sure we'll find out in the next set of books since they'll likely continue a long the Sundering or near-post-Sundering world. |
"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
The original and unapologetic Arilyn, Aribeth, Seoni Fanboy. |
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Madpig
Learned Scribe
Finland
148 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 12:40:45
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| What interests me is that are companions forced to work with Drizzt? I mean storywise Regis could take his own path rather than stay with companions of the hall. Or is there kind of divine intervention that prevents such breaking of the crew. I would think it is rather unlikely, but possible. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 13:55:07
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Originally posted by Madpig
What interests me is that are companions forced to work with Drizzt? I mean storywise Regis could take his own path rather than stay with companions of the hall. Or is there kind of divine intervention that prevents such breaking of the crew. I would think it is rather unlikely, but possible.
Yes, said divine intervention is indeed in place to prevent such a thing. Salvatorean intervention  |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Aug 2013 : 04:12:59
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I finished the book 10 days ago and must say it was excelent.
I stopped reading Salvatore after 1000 Orcs, as it was always the same and I kinda find the fight scenes extremely boring.
This book has been a pleasure to read and if this is representative for The Sundering, then this is going the right way. Now with 5e coming up, I am getting enthusiastic about the realms again.
If there is anything I would criticize about it then it would be this:
Regis part with the Ebonsoul. First of all he just gets close to the coffin and then that's suddenly enough to make the lich escape. And then when Ebonsoul follows him, something like this happens: "Ring Ring"(doorbell)- "Yes who is it?" - "It's me, Ebonsoul, an evil lich. I am looking for Spider. The reason for this will be given at the end of the book"- "Ok, yes, please come in and have a cup of tea" - "Thank you, do you mind of I drain the life out of old Topolino while I wait in the study?" - "No, please yourself, no problem. In the meantime we will pack some rations for Spider, so he does not starve while running from you. And thanks for explaining your motives to us." - "Spider/Regis, here is your bag with rations so you can escape the lich who is downstairs and looking for you. Do not worry about us, the lich is only looking for you and will harm no one else except old Topolino for reasons of emphasizing his meanness in this book" -. "Ok thank you, jolly good!"
Also not returning Wulfgar to the companions would have been a nice move, but well... so be it. 
This part was a real nuissance, but still the overall feeling of the book is very good. |
"You make an intriguing offer, one that is very tempting. It would seem that I have little alternative than to answer thusly: DISINTEGRATE!" Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick 625 |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 28 Aug 2013 : 20:40:09
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| Hehe Skychrome I agree that part could have been plotted a bit better. I think they needed Regis to get what he got from the person who was attacked and for Regis to escape and leave suddenly with no choice. Bob could have accomplished that in a different way because it sort of happened just like you said it did, which..eesh..when you put it like that is kinda bad. I did LOVE the Regis parts most of all though. |
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 Aug 2013 : 02:55:23
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I liked the Regis part too Seravin, that's why the Ebonsoul part bothered me so much. The novel as such was one of the most pleasent reads in a long time.  |
"You make an intriguing offer, one that is very tempting. It would seem that I have little alternative than to answer thusly: DISINTEGRATE!" Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick 625 |
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Lilianviaten
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 Aug 2013 : 03:03:15
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Drizztsmanchild
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Yeah, I know they are, so it probably be long, unless they totally miss each other, for some reason.
Lol. I doubt the battle between Dahlia and Catti-Brie will be long either. Pity Dahlia. Because I highly doubt R.A.S would have done all this just to have Cat make a brief appearance.
If Cattie kills Dahlia, I will buy five copies of that novel to give away.
I know I'm in the minority here, but Dahlia is a more interesting character than Catti-Brie. And she's hotter!
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
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Posted - 09 Sep 2013 : 18:48:45
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Let me start by apologizing that I didn't read the entire scroll before posting, so I'm sure I'll be repeating a lot of stuff.
I think its funny that if I had to pick my favourite Drizzt books I'd pick books where he barely appears (and I actually love Drizzt).
The Spine of the World is still my favourite book, though this one is great too (especially due to Regis' story which was simply great). I'm ok with both Cattie and Regis being back, but Bruenor and Wulfgar is iffy since they both had full lives and died a good death. My only real worry about them all being back is that this means that we won't be seeing Drizzt interacting with new people, which is what was great in the Neverwinter series where we see Drizzt getting new "companions".
As for the Sundering events itself:
- I'm not really sure about the dates that were used in this book. The Weave apparently came back (not sure why this had to be done...) during 1479, Year of the Ageless One, which I think messes with other already published FR novels that take place during 1480, Year of Deep Water Drifting, where there is no mention of the Weave being back.
- Even worse, in The Companions, it seems that the Weave being reestablished eliminated Spellscar powers (Cattie-brie and also Harpells that had Spellscars all lost their Spellscar powers). I hope this isn't a general thing because that really messed up the lore since several Spellscarred characters are known to have been active during 1480.
Both of these issues could have been easily avoided just by having the Weave returning during or after 1480.
And as a side-note: When I read The Companions I think it mentioned that Bruenor killed Errtu in Gauntlgrym. That was a mistake right? |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2013 : 03:22:05
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This is just my opinions, but the problem with Drizzt's new "companions" in the Neverwinter books is that they were a terrible influence and I disliked them. Well, Entreri, Ambergris, that monk (forgetting his name), and Effron were all right, but I couldn't stand Dahlia, and I wanted to slap Drizzt a number of times. I was happy when Drizzt--finally!--realized in the Last Threshold that "hey, hanging around with Dahlia probably isn't the best idea for me."
The CotH helps to make Drizzt who he is. I'm glad they're back. |
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Renin
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 Sep 2013 : 15:10:12
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
And as a side-note: When I read The Companions I think it mentioned that Bruenor killed Errtu in Gauntlgrym. That was a mistake right?
Yeah, I noted that too. Call it a poor edit right there. |
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
508 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2013 : 17:44:52
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
This is just my opinions, but the problem with Drizzt's new "companions" in the Neverwinter books is that they were a terrible influence and I disliked them. Well, Entreri, Ambergris, that monk (forgetting his name), and Effron were all right, but I couldn't stand Dahlia, and I wanted to slap Drizzt a number of times. I was happy when Drizzt--finally!--realized in the Last Threshold that "hey, hanging around with Dahlia probably isn't the best idea for me."
The CotH helps to make Drizzt who he is. I'm glad they're back.
Honesly, I'm sure that RA made Dahlia a bad influence (and an unlikeable character) on purpose since he had no intention to keep the new "companions" around. |
Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2013 : 19:36:46
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| That's true--and he was very successful at it, at least to me. |
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 Sep 2013 : 21:59:21
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I haven't actually read a RAS novel since The Two Swords but this sounds like it could be interesting. I did see a copy of it at a local bookstore a week ago, but it was something like $35 bucks! Um, excuse me? I know I'm a little out of touch with how much a FR novel costs these days (I've bought all the books in my collection/miniature library from used book stores), but this price seems a bit ridiculous. Oh well, a used copy will turn up at one of the stores eventually. (And hopefully at a price within my budget.) |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
Learned Scribe
USA
324 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2013 : 06:15:55
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
That is not what the novel should cost. Amazon is currently selling it for $17.81:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Companions-Sundering-Book/dp/0786963719/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378864006&sr=8-1&keywords=the+companions
Yeah, I thought something was wrong with that. Thanks so much, Mr. Byers. Incidentally, I think you might want to update your profile, sir, as it says your currently working on the Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy. Considering the fact that I've read said trilogy (and LOVED, by the way), I'd sincerely hope that would indicate you finished writing it. Sorry, that came out all snarky when I meant it to be helpful (please don't be angry with me). |
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BlackAce
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2013 : 10:29:50
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I'm not at all surprised the plot of it is what it is. We all know the Companions have long been the sacred cash cow of FR.
It's a good novel, but it didn't win me back into the ranks of Drizzt fandom. |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 : 13:53:37
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| Hi, Drustan. Thanks for the tip, but which profile where? |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 : 15:20:03
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| Never mind. I belatedly figured out you meant my profile right here on Candlekeep. I'd essentially forgotten that I had one. |
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