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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 02:56:14
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Is there any real info on the bane and Gruumsh war, or was it left to a small paragraph in a sourcebook and never mentioned again?
Seems a pretty important fact that Nishrek and Chernoggar collided to each other, and would have some sort affect.
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 03:06:26
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| I must have missed or overlooked this. Bane and Gruumsh were at war? |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 03:12:04
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Yes One Eye wants the domain of war and pretty much throw his entire realm of Nishrek to collide against Chernoggar, which itself was such a damaging act, that Bane was forced to use his own abilities to merge the two realms or lose his own realm .
The two are pretty much at war with each other now. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 06:14:36
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| Where is this written? This doesn't sound "Forgotten Realms" to me...as Bane does not have the portfolio of War, Tempus does. |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 08:29:39
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oh god am having a brain fart, I will try and find it tomorrow, but basically, war is fragmented into several aspects, like red knight is still war, even if tactics.
I will leave you with this nice bit of wallpaper while I find the issue in the morning. http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4wall/20090211 |
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 09:16:52
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| What you say is CORE DND, as it revolves around CORE Bane who is not FR Bane and therefore FR Bane and FR Gruumsh are not fighting a war (possible arguments not included). |
The driving force in the multiverse is evil, for it forces good to act. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 14:12:37
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
oh god am having a brain fart, I will try and find it tomorrow, but basically, war is fragmented into several aspects, like red knight is still war, even if tactics.
I will leave you with this nice bit of wallpaper while I find the issue in the morning. http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4wall/20090211
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
789 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 17:25:53
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| woah wait...when did Bane get in core? |
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 17:53:32
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| Since 4e happened and they though it would be a good idea to make a semi-new deity with a name already taken by another one from a way more successful setting. |
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Ze
Learned Scribe
Italy
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 17:59:36
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Are you kidding??
That makes no sense... Is the Core Bane completely unrelated to the FR Bane? Come on. 
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 21:28:00
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| As far as i know, yes they are not one and the same. Staff of WotC is free to correct me. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 21:46:32
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according to Richard Baker before he was laid off, he said that they were not the same deity. They were jsut names during creation and were just stuck with.
none of the core deities that carry names that pass on into other settings are not the deities in that setting.
thus there is no relation to the Bane in the in the core books to the Bane in the Realms.
all deity lore passed within the ddi articles, if they are not realms specific they have nothing to do with the realms.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 21:48:36
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Yup, core-Bane is not the same guy as FR-Bane,
In fact, Core-Bane even had a first name - Kurt
And Kurt Core-Bane used to live in Nirvana....
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Ze
Learned Scribe
Italy
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 22:26:22
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Ze
Learned Scribe
Italy
147 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 22:52:11
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But he is also god of tyranny and he's called The Black Hand!
Sorry guys, I'm still trying to disbelieve.
And it's Ari Marmell too! His S&S works were good...
Ok ok, I'll get over with it now.
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Mirtek
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 23:30:51
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You can also check out the DDG article in Dragon Magazine. It has a side bar that flat out states that PoL-Bane is not FR-Bane and what applies to one doesn't apply to the other.
However FR Bane and Gruumsh being in conflict sound sensible, after all Bane has subjugated the goblin pantheon (as stupid as this idea is) and they were not only Gruumsh's (and the orc pantheons) mortal enemies but of course that also raises the concern that the orcish pantheon may be the next target. |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 23:53:05
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throwing your entire realm at another realm just seems...like a thing for a sort of...
sundering... |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Jul 2013 : 07:23:25
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| Acheron is a plane of war, before 4e the petitioners of Gruumsh and Maglubiyet fought endlessly there. 4e designers made Maglubiyet a servant of Bane. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Jul 2013 : 09:48:26
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The Bane-Gruumsh war was pretty much solely a Points of Light thing, and I don't think it was ever meant to actually go anywhere. It was one of those "this is what is keeping these guys busy so they aren't causing more trouble" kind of things that if a DM wanted to, he could pick up and use as a plot hook.
I do suspect- based on extremely little and extremely circumstantial evidence- that they might have been planning a Gruumsh/Tempus war as an equivalent of the PoL conflict for the realms and never got around to doing it. |
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jerrod
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Jul 2013 : 03:56:55
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| Tempus vs gruumsh. Both greater powers of war.tempus and one-eye are both known to battle other war gods.humanity vs orc gods. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE! |
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