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Jeremy Grenemyer
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 Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 07:33:49
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I was wondering if a wise sage or perhaps a game designer or novel author with some knowledge of how the Roll of Years was produced for the Realms could weigh in some questions I have.
In the novel Crown of Fire, at the start of chapter six, the Year of the Rising Mist is listed as the date of writing for Mirt the Moneylender's book Wanderings With Quill and Sword.
I can't find the Year of the Rising Mist on any index of the Roll of Years.
Does anyone know why this is? If yes, could you tell me what year number the Year of Rising Mist corresponds to?
On that note:
On the Book List for Tomes in Candlekeep found on this here website, Wanderings With Quill and Sword is listed as being written in the year 1352 DR, the Year of the Dragon.
However, the text in Schend's novel Blackstaff Tower (page 233 of the paperback edition) describes one of the characters taking hold of Mirt's book and then realizing the book in hand was copied 130 years ago to the day.
The chapter for that part of Schend's book indicates the date is 11 Nightall, Year of the Ageless One (1479 DR).
Wouldn't this mean Mirt's book was written in 1349 DR?
Have I stumbled across something in Blackstaff Tower that was meant to smooth over a wrinkle in Realmslore vis-a-vis Mirt's book and the Roll of Years?
Thank you in advance for any help you provide. It's appreciated. 
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Edited by - Jeremy Grenemyer on 25 Mar 2013 07:42:08
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 07:39:02
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I just found there are two lists of Tomes Found in Candlekeep.
One is list is by author, the other by title. Of these, the list by title shows Mirt's Wanderings as written in 1352 DR, while the author list shows 1349 DR.
Someone might want to fix that. 
This would seem to have solved the question about when Mirt's book was written (1349 DR), but I'm still curious to know how the Year of Rising Mist was (apparently) changed into the Year of the Bridle. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 10:04:33
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We've had other cases where there are discrepancies like that; when I was working on my Roll of Years project (which got semi-permanently sidetracked a while ago), Krash provided a list of year names which weren't anywhere on the official Roll of Years.
It can be assumed that some of these names are regional variants.
The official list WotC put out lists 1349 as the Year of the Bridle. |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 10:50:37
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That book list is ... imperfect. The Year of Rising Mist is indeed apocryphal and not part of the "official" Roll. After all, the Roll is the Roll (except for the bits that are in error, and then the Roll isn't the Roll). Clear as mud? Thought so.
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Markustay
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Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 20:04:56
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Thats an easy fix (at least the dating part) - he began writing the book in 1349 DR, and perhaps even published a smaller, chapbook-style version around then, but he didn't complete the entire, comprehensive work until 1352 DR.
As for the 'Year of the Rising Mists', I would agree its a regional thing. It could be the name of the year in Cormyrean reckoning. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 20:45:24
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Originally posted by Markustay
Thats an easy fix (at least the dating part) - he began writing the book in 1349 DR, and perhaps even published a smaller, chapbook-style version around then, but he didn't complete the entire, comprehensive work until 1352 DR.
Or it was reprinted, perhaps as an amended version. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 26 Mar 2013 : 05:59:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It can be assumed that some of these names are regional variants.
Thanks Wooly.
I'd see a similar suggestion on the Realms-L mailing list archives, but I was hesitant to accept that suggestion since the year(s) in question were in a novel penned by Ed Greenwood (even accepting the fact that WotC's official Roll of Years overwrites the lore about year names found in older novels).
But once it occurred to me that this might allow for new Realmslore to be created by taking the Roll of Years and flavoring it up by changing certain of the year names depending on the region you're in (and then exploring why those changes happen), it seemed like a good idea.
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Originally posted by George Krashos
After all, the Roll is the Roll (except for the bits that are in error, and then the Roll isn't the Roll). Clear as mud? Thought so.
Yup, pretty much. Thank you George.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Thats an easy fix (at least the dating part) - he began writing the book in 1349 DR, and perhaps even published a smaller, chapbook-style version around then, but he didn't complete the entire, comprehensive work until 1352 DR.
That's a smooth Realmslore fix right there, but between you and me I'd prefer that list of books receive a quick edit.
That said, Wooly makes a good point about Mirt's book being reprinted, given that the text in Schend's Blackstaff Tower talks about the date on which the book being held by the character was copied. |
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sleyvas
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Posted - 26 Mar 2013 : 13:50:34
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| I look at the year names and think of Star Trek with its Star Dates. They added it thinking it would sound cool at the start of episodes. They weren't keeping track of the numbers involved.... because who would be fanatical enough to try and sort it all out, right? |
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1349 DR: Year of the Rising Mist or the Bridle?
