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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 19 Feb 2013 : 08:00:13
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http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Product.aspx?x=dnd/products/dndacc/45390000
It seems WoTC have finally figured out that us 40 years old (and counting!) actually have some disposable income and would like reprints and/or PDF's of pre 3E material
To reprint the original white box is an ambitious step, though at $150 (about £120 given the weaking £) it aint cheap
I might, just might buy one and leave my battered original alone to finally fall apart gracefully 
Cheers
Damian
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So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Feb 2013 : 12:49:52
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| Why in the hells would it be that expensive?!? |
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Feb 2013 : 13:10:36
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well its 7 books, plus the dice plus the wooden box, plus the nostalgia factor and released a month before Christmas :)
Will be interesting to see how much Amazon sell it for (if it gets there).
Cheers
Damian |
So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Feb 2013 : 14:56:24
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Originally posted by crazedventurers
well its 7 books, plus the dice plus the wooden box, plus the nostalgia factor and released a month before Christmas :)
Will be interesting to see how much Amazon sell it for (if it gets there).
Cheers
Damian
I'd pay maybe a third of that price, not much more. The next time I've got $100+ sitting around to spend on gaming stuff, I'm getting a Stormwall. |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2013 : 20:26:18
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| Surprised at the price too, but I'll probably end up getting it for Christmas from someone or buying it for myself. I love the wood box! |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Feb 2013 : 21:13:21
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Feb 2013 : 23:25:34
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
Profiteering gluttons. Don't be dupe.
I think that's a little harsh, since the only other way to get these books is to hope and pray that copies in reasonable condition show up on eBay for a reasonable price. Yeah, the price tag is steep, but the production value looks good, and it is a fair amount of stuff.
The price is high, but I don't think it's high enough to warrant such negativity about the reprinting of otherwise difficult to obtain material. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 01:21:11
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| I sorely tempted by this. Of course, I'm likely to go way over my monthly budgeting... but it's 0E D&D. Granted, I only gained a taste for it at the end of it's shelf-life, but I liked what I found in those books, so I'm keen to revisit that kind of nostalgia. |
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Euranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 01:37:45
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I think that I am going to give this to my husband for Christmas/Yule. That way I can have it as well.  He has three of the books already. But this way, I get to read them too. :)And I don't feel bad about the cost too much. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 03:23:04
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After my initial shock...I'm really inclined to buy these. I've never read them...so just that alone is almost worth buying it. I don't think I'd play with these particular rules...but I just don't know until I get them do I!? lol
EDIT: I should say I haven't read ALL of them...I have read a couple of these books, and even had those two at one point. I simply don't remember which. |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 03:55:31
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| They should really do a collector's edition version like this one with the gorgeous wood box etc and put out a much cheaper version for those who just want reprints to read. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 04:37:26
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| When first sold these books went for a reasonable price. That's a LONG time ago. The material has been reprinted multiple times. They are pretending that these new copies have the same rarity as the originals in order to fleece people like you who value the originals. You'd all be much better off finding that copy on ebay or the local book reseller. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 05:07:07
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
When first sold these books went for a reasonable price. That's a LONG time ago. The material has been reprinted multiple times. They are pretending that these new copies have the same rarity as the originals in order to fleece people like you who value the originals. You'd all be much better off finding that copy on ebay or the local book reseller.
If the prices are the same, I'd rather have a brand new reprint than a battered original copy. In fact, I've bought the reprinted 1E core books because my originals were destroyed, and the reprints are brand new. I'm more interested in the content than in the publication history. Heck, I only made a point of getting the first editions of some of the early Realms novels because those were the ones I was most familiar with, not the later, altered printings.
And I'm not seeing where there was any claim that these new reprints were rare. The price tag is because you're not just getting three booklets in a cardboard box with dice you have to ink yourself, you're getting seven booklets in very nice box with a lovely set of dice that I'd be inclined to buy if they were sold separately. |
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 08:58:31
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Well, if they are not going to be rare, ie a limited print item, then they are just plain ridiculously priced. I had the originals, and they aren't that great compared to the rules released shortly after they were. Their value comes from the fact that they were FIRST, and they were relatively rare. Surely a scribe of Candlekeep can appreciate that value system for old books.
PS - I GAVE mine away after I got pdfs of them. If you think a cheap wood box is worth 100 dollars, more power to you. Wish I had that kind of money to throw away. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 16:54:21
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The Mona Lisa might be priceless or worth millions and millions to the right collectors. But that doesn't make Mona Lisa reproductions worth thousands and thousands to other collectors. Even if they are painted by da Vinci's heirs. Even when they come in a pretty wooden box.
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As a collector who happens to (mostly) own the original products I'd point out that these rulebooks are slim, almost more like pamphlets. All of them combined hardly compare to the thinnest PHB. Those dice must be awfully nice indeed to make up the balance.
The rules, as is, are hardly playable. Technically playable, sure, but hardly as comprehensive as subsequent versions of the game. Better entertainment (even better D&D entertainment!) can be purchased for less. Whereas, from a collectible/investment sort of viewpoint these products are not the genuine article, therefore not really worth buying into. |
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 18:07:20
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Originally posted by Ayrik
The Mona Lisa might be priceless or worth millions and millions to the right collectors. But that doesn't make Mona Lisa reproductions worth thousands and thousands to other collectors. Even if they are painted by da Vinci's heirs. Even when they come in a pretty wooden box.
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As a collector who happens to (mostly) own the original products I'd point out that these rulebooks are slim, almost more like pamphlets. All of them combined hardly compare to the thinnest PHB. Those dice must be awfully nice indeed to make up the balance.
The rules, as is, are hardly playable. Technically playable, sure, but hardly as comprehensive as subsequent versions of the game. Better entertainment (even better D&D entertainment!) can be purchased for less. Whereas, from a collectible/investment sort of viewpoint these products are not the genuine article, therefore not really worth buying into.
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 21:00:57
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Originally posted by Ayrik
The rules, as is, are hardly playable. Technically playable, sure, but hardly as comprehensive as subsequent versions of the game.
Obviously you are assuming that people require 'comprehensive' rule sets to play D&D?
I am looking at my box set right now and and I am confident that I can run a game off the bat with minimal prep and make it interesting as well.
Y'see to me what the 'comprehensive' editions of D&D have managed to do is to take away the imagination of players and DM's alike and the rule-set have become the crutch upon which they lean to have a good time, rather than just sitting around with a few friends and making stuff up as they go along to have a good time (in essence D&D is a grown up version of 'lets pretend' but with a fantasy/sword & sorcery/sword & planet slant).
to quote Gary:
The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules.
Tim Kask (editor of Eldritch Wizardry)
D & D was meant to be a free-wheeling game, only loosely bound by the parameters of the rules
more from Gary
In this light, we urge you to refrain from writing for rule interpretations or the like unless you are absolutely at a loss, for everything herein is fantastic, and the best way is to decide how you would like it to be, and then make it just that way! On the other hand, we are not loath to answer your questions, but why have us do any more of your imagining for you? (emphasis mine)
Technical playable? please..... they are eminently playable, easy to use, simple rules, no bloat to bog the game down, quick combat rounds, one save that covers everything (including skill checks)
something not in the rules?
want to play a barbarian? sure no probs! you can only wear leather armour (no shield allowed) and you get +1 to hit and damage with axes and d10 for hit points
want to play a cavalier? sure! you get +1 to hit when mounted and +1 damage with a lance
want to play a necromancer: sure! you can't be law aligned, can't wear armour, get 1d4 hit point per level and have a very narrow spell/prayer list culled from the wizard and cleric, but you do get to cast 'call skeleton' once a month on the new moon which will serve you for 1 full day and do your necromantic bidding
Just my thoughts
Cheers
Damian |
So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Ayrik
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 22:04:13
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My statement was meant to convey that OD&D appeals to us grognards because of its nostalgia. We fondly remember this ancient game and the good times we had while playing it. Honestly - why lie to yourself? - if snazzy games like, say, D&D 3E were also available at the time then there's no way in hell anyone would've played imagination pamphlet OD&D, not unless they couldn't afford to pay higher prices for the fancy colour graphic artwork and piles of splatbooks.
So why then would anyone play collectible OD&D straight out of the wooden box today when it costs substantially more than the core books of any of the four (now five?) other D&D editions?
Certainly I might grognard with my bros ... but I wouldn't realistically expect my old wooden-box childhood entertainments to easily compete for a share of children's imaginations in today's world. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 20 Feb 2013 : 22:27:25
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Pretty sure these aren't being sold with the intent for people to play them. These are being sold for people that otherwise wouldn't be able to get the original books, and/or who want a copy that looks good and has a high production value.
WotC isn't trying to compete with themselves. They're recognizing that a lot of gamers like to collect gamebooks, and giving us a way to do it.
I'm not going to begrudge them for trying to make a dime while doing that. They don't have to reprint these books at all, and they are at least trying to give us something valuable -- they could reprint just the original three books, slap them in a plain cardboard box, and then charge an outrageous price for them.
Y'all know I'm always ready to criticize WotC when I think they deserve it, and I do think they've deserved it a lot since 3E came out. But I don't think they deserve it for offering premium versions of out of print material. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 21 Feb 2013 : 00:34:27
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Yes, yes; we hear "I want my OLD GAME back!"
WotC prints it.
Someone shouts "Bunch of con artists at WotC!"
Those who aren't interested in buying the gods-damned books don't buy them and let the others buy them.
I'm certainly guilty quite often of knee-jerk blurts...but for the love of all that is fun...have an initial reaction and then move on if you don't like what you see. Nobody needs to be persuaded to not enjoy spending money. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Feb 2013 : 00:47:32
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Originally posted by Ayrik
So why then would anyone play collectible OD&D straight out of the wooden box today when it costs substantially more than the core books of any of the four (now five?) other D&D editions?
Nostalgia... for the "good ol' days" of D&D gaming? 
I know that's effectively how I'll be explaining my expenditure for this rare gift. |
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Feb 2013 : 08:55:18
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Originally posted by Ayrik Honestly - why lie to yourself? - if snazzy games like, say, D&D 3E were also available at the time then there's no way in hell anyone would've played imagination pamphlet OD&D,
but I wouldn't realistically expect my old wooden-box childhood entertainments to easily compete for a share of children's imaginations in today's world.
Not spoiling for a fight here, but I feel the need to address certain points made.
Why would I be lying? I much prefer a free wheeling simple to play version of D&D than a rule bloated version no matter how shiny it is. I was specifically answering your original point that the 0E D&D game is unplayable, I contest this and say it is playable and fun and thrilling and exciting when ran/played in the spirit that encourages fun.
To your second point above, my 7 year old will argue with you about that, as she would much rather play the dungeon game with daddy than the Xbox/DS/any other shiny electronic toy - why? because she is playing grown up 'lets pretend' and anything is possible to her because she uses her imagination to 'win' against the sneaky goblin king, or the sleeping giant, or the large jumping beetle when her 'wizard/knight/or whatever else she wants to play tonight character' sneaks down into the Zenopus' dungeon map from the BX box sets.
We have no rules to slow down the game, no discussion about attacks of opportunity, we don't spend 5 mins looking at a battle map and working out the best place to move a character to get the best flanking bonuses etc and then another 5 mins rolling all the attacks with power attack modifiers to add up/take away, we just have fun and that is what a free form rule light game is about. It is not everyone cup of tea but certainly my preferred choice of D&D format.
As the TSR tagline used to say 'Products of your imagination' and the imagination of my 7 year old puts to shame some of the adults that I game with who instantly fall back to the rulebook/feat sheet/character sheet when faced with a challenge. They seem unable/reluctant to think themselves out of a situation and instead relay on stats/magic/abilities/skills/rules instead.
Just my thoughts on how I like to play and run D&D.
Cheers
Damian |
So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Feb 2013 : 16:25:44
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
I'm certainly guilty quite often of knee-jerk blurts...but for the love of all that is fun...have an initial reaction and then move on if you don't like what you see. Nobody needs to be persuaded to not enjoy spending money.
Pretty much this.
I can see the point that just about anything can be in pdf form nowadays, so buying print books means spending more than one technically has to, but that opinion pretty much fails to recognize that people still like to have books in their hands, they like to spend money on what has value and they like to have awesome stuff sitting on their bookshelves.
It does not follow that because people still prefer a solid book (or pamphlet) in the age of electronic files that they're doing it wrong. Likewise, it doesn't follow that WotC are "profiteering gluttons" for testing this market.
Speaking of markets: whether it's electronic or paper format, WotC is still out to make money. That's what corporations do. I can't figure out why it is people still don't comprehend this. 
Or maybe they do, but prefer to rip WotC whenever the urge takes them, because it costs them nothing to do so. (But what do I know? It's not like I've seen this sort of thing before. )
Ayrik has a point about the pamphlet offerings in this new set being (literally) pretty thin. My gut reaction is the price point is about $25-$50 too high. That said, I'm not sure what it costs to put together a wood box (and faux leather over wood lid??) nowadays. That may be all the cost right there.
Regarding playability: this set doesn't strike me as something meant to drive gaming activity. The selling point is the deluxe, collectable nature of the set. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Feb 2013 : 01:08:55
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
Regarding playability: this set doesn't strike me as something meant to drive gaming activity. The selling point is the deluxe, collectable nature of the set.
Exactly. This is aimed almost specifically at the collector... the collector who, like myself, will take a certain degree of pleasuring looking at his or her gaming self and seeing these expensive reprints sitting on the shelf -- perhaps in a special sealed container or glass box.  |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Feb 2013 : 04:53:32
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
Regarding playability: this set doesn't strike me as something meant to drive gaming activity. The selling point is the deluxe, collectable nature of the set.
Exactly. This is aimed almost specifically at the collector... the collector who, like myself, will take a certain degree of pleasuring looking at his or her gaming self and seeing these expensive reprints sitting on the shelf -- perhaps in a special sealed container or glass box.
Bingo. If I had a couple hundred a month to blow on gaming stuff, I'd buy one of these just to have it.
Of course, if that was the case, I'd also have the Stormwall, the Stormstrider, and a nice, purely Rhulic merc force. And my computer would be orders of magnitude more awesome. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 22 Feb 2013 : 07:13:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
Regarding playability: this set doesn't strike me as something meant to drive gaming activity. The selling point is the deluxe, collectable nature of the set.
Exactly. This is aimed almost specifically at the collector... the collector who, like myself, will take a certain degree of pleasuring looking at his or her gaming self and seeing these expensive reprints sitting on the shelf -- perhaps in a special sealed container or glass box.
Bingo. If I had a couple hundred a month to blow on gaming stuff, I'd buy one of these just to have it.
Of course, if that was the case, I'd also have the Stormwall, the Stormstrider, and a nice, purely Rhulic merc force. And my computer would be orders of magnitude more awesome.
I really need to save up some gold pieces for a Conquest. But Australian distributors just ramp up the price tag too much for my coin purse.
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If I'm going to get the 0e D&D reprint boxed set, though, then I might need to forget about those cool new Masterpiece Soundwave and Lady Death statues I've been keen to place on pre-order for the last month or so... |
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crazedventurers
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Feb 2013 : 18:32:47
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| I often find myself hating Amazon because they just make it too hard for my Local Gaming Store to compete with certain items. |
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0E D&D White Box Set reprint
