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SiriusBlack
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Bookwyrm
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 Posted - 23 Jan 2004 : 08:48:17
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Well, now. Thanks for pointing that out. I think I might take advantage of some of that . . . .
Now if only they'd have some FR suplements at such a great price.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 23 Jan 2004 : 12:32:23
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Hmm...60% off Complete Warrior...
Some may find it hard to believe, but I still have not purchased this tome yet. This really disturbs me, in a way, because I can't understand why I have been so hesitant to make that purchase...
Oh well, with this type of discount, I really have no excuse...
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 23 Jan 2004 : 15:36:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
Oh well, with this type of discount, I really have no excuse...
Yeah, at just over 10 bucks, I'll even take a look at the Complete Warrior. Additionally, I have a player who has been lusting after the Draconomicon for some time, but can't afford the book. Thus, at this low price, I can get it and see a smile on her face. |
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mr.lee
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Posted - 23 Jan 2004 : 20:25:19
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Originally posted by The Sage
Some may find it hard to believe, but I still have not purchased this tome yet. This really disturbs me, in a way, because I can't understand why I have been so hesitant to make that purchase...
I must say WOW! I can't believe it! You haven't bought .... The Book? Fox Mulder, where are you??? |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 24 Jan 2004 : 07:21:33
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Originally posted by The Sage
Some may find it hard to believe, but I still have not purchased this tome yet. This really disturbs me, in a way, because I can't understand why I have been so hesitant to make that purchase...
I can answer that one, I think. It really sounds like a hack'n'slasher's book, rather than a roleplayer's. I put it off mostly because I simply didn't even have the money to buy more important items like Unapproachable East.
Of course, when I mentioned it to my father, he asked me if I was asking for a birthday present. See, like any old dragon -- especially a spike dragon -- he's a bit stingy about money. However, he can never turn down a good sale or coupon, and so it looks like I'm getting both items. Of course, it means that I have to wait over a month, but hey, I can wait.
Though looking at the stuff in CW might help with the creation of the Fencer class I've been wanting . . . . |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 24 Jan 2004 : 07:41:43
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm I can answer that one, I think. It really sounds like a hack'n'slasher's book, rather than a roleplayer's
Complete Warrior? If so, yes, it does definitely look like the crunch heavy book for those interested in the hack n slash style of play. Still, at just over 10 dollars, I'll take a look at even that style a book. 
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Well, now. Thanks for pointing that out
You're welcome. When I saw the thread on ENWorld, I was hoping it could help someone here as this site has some of the friendliest people I've ever encountered on a roleplaying board.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 24 Jan 2004 : 08:16:35
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I can answer that one, I think. It really sounds like a hack'n'slasher's book, rather than a roleplayer's. I put it off mostly because I simply didn't even have the money to buy more important items like Unapproachable East.
You're probably right about that Bookwyrm. The only real need I could see for this particular tome (in my campaigns at least) would be because a player requested to use some of the material presented in it for our game. Other than that, most of the newer PrCs, and feats will probably never appear in my games again.
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Though looking at the stuff in CW might help with the creation of the Fencer class I've been wanting . . . .
I had been thinking that as well. Since you want me to help out on this, I may as well make the attempt to definitely make this purchase, taking advantage of the deal on offer. I remember you had said you had looked over it previously...Did it have anything on Fencer/Dualist type PrCs...?
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 08:27:14
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I didn't see that in the PrCs, nor did I take a look at the feat selection. The proprietor of the only shop I know of that carries it isn't the sort I'd like to test the old read-it-in-the-aisle trick on for more than a minute or too at a time.  I really only had time to look over the Swashbuckler, which put me off on the Fencer plans for a while. It felt kind of superfluous at the time. But mixed with your PrC, I think it would work . . . . |
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The Sage
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Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 13:21:41
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Indeed...
Let me finish the Monk PrC that I am currently working on, and then I'll send you some ideas.
I remember reading somewhere that a number of Epic feats were also included in the Complete Warrior tome. Does anyone have any solid information on this...?
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 16:14:05
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Originally posted by The Sage
I remember reading somewhere that a number of Epic feats were also included in the Complete Warrior tome. Does anyone have any solid information on this...?
I can't recall if I heard anything about Epic feats. However, the EN World D20 Reviews' page has four reviews for this product. One of them might be able to answer your question.
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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 05:29:06
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Thanks for that Sirius .
Those reviews really didn't say much about Epic feats, but from what I've read of the PrCs in the book, there's a nice little collection for use with your PCs.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 16:04:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
Thanks for that Sirius .
Those reviews really didn't say much about Epic feats, but from what I've read of the PrCs in the book, there's a nice little collection for use with your PCs.
No problem. I should have the book by Wednesday at the latest, maybe even sooner as Amazon is reporting it shipped out two states over on Saturday. Thus, I can take a quick glance when I get it to see if under the Feats section there is any mention of Epic feats. |
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The Sage
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 28 Jan 2004 : 16:22:27
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Thanks again...
I've only just ordered my copy, so it most likely won't arrive for at least two weeks...
For what it's worth, I got my copies yesterday. Complete Warrior does have in the back about a dozen epic feats listed with the caveat that they supersede any "previously published version." Thus, no idea if they came from the ELH and are just updated to 3.5 or what. |
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The Sage
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 29 Jan 2004 : 16:41:17
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I am assuming that they probably did not, given that the ELH is supposed to be undergoing a revision as well...
I saw last night a note at the start of the book that listed the ELH as one of the sources for material found within. No idea as to what they took from ELH and put within Complete Warrior. It's been too long since I looked at the ELH. |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 Jan 2004 : 18:19:09
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| As the owner of Complete Warrior I think the book is a waste of paper, by and large. It did not really contribute anything of real value to my game. I guess it would be better if you like crunch, as in crunching things into pieces, but otherwise it is not all that spectacular. I was also kind of offended by the Realm prestige classes that got made generic and added into the book, like Purple Dragon Knight. That was just silly to me. Draconomicon is really no worse than the original, and it has some pretty pictures in it too. Plus it finally handles items made out of dragon parts, always fun. By the way, the Epic Level Handbook was the worst thing ever printed. And not because I dislike the epic level system, though I do, but because of Union. I will not get into it here, but Union was a slap in the face to an old Planescape player like me. |
Edain Shadowstar
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The Sage
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Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 01:29:21
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A slap in the face to us both Edain...
My dislike for Union only grows every time I try to re-read the entry in the ELH. What a mistake.... I do not even acknowledge the existence of the city of Union, in any one of my multiple campaign cosmologies currently in play.
Although, now you've got me thinking on whether Complete Warrior is actually a wiser purchase as I'd secondly assumed...?
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Edain Shadowstar
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Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 19:51:37
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I do kind of wonder who designed Union sometimes. It comes across as such a deliberate stick to old Planescape players, especially since it mentions Sigil in the other planar hubs sidebar. I wish the Lady would appear and slash those mercanes to bits.
By the way, how did you liek the Draconomicon? If you have it, that is. |
Edain Shadowstar
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The Sage
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Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 01:25:08
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Yes, that small writeup of Sigil makes it almost sound like a small and unimportant place among the planes...
As for the Draconomicon, well, I've had this particular tome since it was first released, and I can honestly say that I read through it nearly every day, usually searching for some dragon-related facts that I can use in my games. However, the actual usage is only really tied to my being a huge DL devotee as well, so this book would naturally be of great use in Krynn-based games, and then it is only used to expand upon the material already presented in the DLCS.
It has some other varied uses (mainly being the PrCs) in my other campaigns, but outside of my Dragonlance games, the typical Dragon rarely appears in any campaign that I run.
Most of the feats presented, find some use in my games (all of them), as well as the pages and pages of dragon-facts (who wouldn't like to read through those), but other than that, there's really nothing in the tome that the DLCS doesn't already have, in some interpretation or another.
Although, strangely enough, I do find it useful for my main homebrew world of Amasaria, but that's heading a little of topic, so I'll stop now before Alaundo the wise arrives with his now-infamous STAFF!.
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Edain Shadowstar
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Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 01:51:01
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| I kind of agree, though dragons are not a common occurance in my campaigns either, they Draconomicon does come in quite handy at times. It provides all that fun information about dragons and dragon-related lore that is always useful. |
Edain Shadowstar
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The Sage
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Edain Shadowstar
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Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 03:42:22
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| Yes, I remember having huge arguments on the usefullness of and the mistake that was the original Draconomicon. Many people, and myself in part, considered it to be a very...'flawed' product, and many more were very vocal about this. The new one is worlds better, and I kind of like how they did not make the new one a Forgotten Realms specific product, since it has wide ranging usefullness (not that you cannot adapt the old one, but it does kind of taint the product in ways by incorporating certain elements of the settings which harm the usefullness of the books core information). In any case, it is great product. |
Edain Shadowstar
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Edited by - Edain Shadowstar on 31 Jan 2004 18:45:01 |
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The Sage
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Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 05:54:25
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Agreed .
The dragon deity section of the first Draconomicon was probably one of the areas I had the most problems with, when it was released. It did little to actual maintain the then current 2e stream of continuity when it came to non-human deities.
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Edain Shadowstar
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Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 21:02:16
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| I personally loved the section in the new Draconomicon about Draconic physiology. It really gave me the impression that someone thought a lot about this book and that a lot of effort was put in it to make it good, and useful. Also I think the deities section int eh new one was much better than the old one. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 02:41:01
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Yes, the physiology section on Dragons is probably my favorite part of the tome, along with the diagrams and images that help to illustrate the various anatomical portions of the standard dragon. It was really well done...
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Edain Shadowstar
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Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 23:05:41
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How does he do that?
In any case, it is interesting how the 60% off deal from Amazon.com put itno sharp perspective the costs of the Wizards products. I mena, I love the shiny artwork and nice hardcovers, but the cost of gaming has increased I think from Third Edition forward, not to mention the major 3/3.5 Edition problems, wherein they are reprinting everything they can. I mean, the flood fo products definately puts everyone in a bit of a pinch when it comes to getting products for their groups. I guess thats why the 60% off deal got so much press. |
Edain Shadowstar
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Feb 2004 : 13:28:43
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Originally posted by Edain Shadowstar
How does he do that?
In any case, it is interesting how the 60% off deal from Amazon.com put itno sharp perspective the costs of the Wizards products. I mena, I love the shiny artwork and nice hardcovers, but the cost of gaming has increased I think from Third Edition forward, not to mention the major 3/3.5 Edition problems, wherein they are reprinting everything they can. I mean, the flood fo products definately puts everyone in a bit of a pinch when it comes to getting products for their groups. I guess thats why the 60% off deal got so much press.
En World is great for obtaining information about gaming products sales. I think there is also a 20% sale on 200+ 3e products (both third-party and WotC) that one of the staff at En World is selling. Any who are interested in this deal should probably visit the En World News Site...
I'd post a link, but the site seems to be down at the moment...maybe later.
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