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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 22 Jan 2004 : 04:38:04
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Well, the concept of the Shadow Weave got me thinking..... There are generally three non-specific arcane magic weilding classes. Mages, who manipulate the Weave, sorcerers, who innately draw their power directly from the Weave, and Shadow Adepts, mages who manipulate the Shadow Weave. Does this mean that there are Shadow Sorcerers, who innately draw their power directly from the Shadow Weave? Its only logical to assume that if some can innately cast normal magic spells that there are those who can innately cast shadow magic spells.
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The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Jan 2004 : 06:57:58
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| As I understand it, Shar keeps a tight control over her Weave. I don't think it would "leak" as it were. I'd say that a sorcerer would have to take the Shadow Weave Magic feat first. After all, the descriptor says that's it's both dark and dangerous; maybe those with this feat are just those who live after tapping into the Shadow Weave. |
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Cyric
Senior Scribe
Norway
388 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2004 : 13:48:52
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| Yes but what if she/he was Sorcerer and then switched to the Shadow weave ? would she/he not become a Shadow Sorcerer ? |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2004 : 00:44:52
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idk much about this topic, but it seems 2 me that a normal sorcerer could become a shadow sorcerer. or at least use some of the spells, but like i said, idk much about shadow magic? |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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Icewolf
Learned Scribe
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2004 : 01:41:07
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Forgive my ignorance of this subject, but could someone give me a nice, short description on the Shadow Weave. Bookwyrm said "Shar keeps a tight control over her Weave." Who is Shar?
I have a basic understanding of The Weave, which is the Forgotten Realm's source of magic, but that is only from purusing through the tomes and scrolls here at Candlekeep. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2004 : 02:09:58
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| You know not of Shar??? She is the Mistress of the Night, the Lady of Loss, and the Goddess of Darkness. Additional information can be found at http://www.nwncityofarabel.com/gods/shar.htm Also, should you desire more information, just ask me. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2004 : 05:42:11
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She's also one of the late Mystryl's two mommies.  (Eep! Don't let Bush know, or he'll try to pass a law prohibiting this story!  )
When Shar and her sister Selune fought at the creation of Toril, it was thought that magic (and the first goddess thereof, Mystryl) was formed from the bits they tore out of each other. Turns out now that most of the normal Weave of Magic was from Selune -- Shar grabbed hers and turned it into a Shadow Weave, which she's been hiding until now.
It's detailed in Magic of Faerun.
Yes, then they would be called shadow sorcerers, if you'd like. But I believe the original question was if sorcerers would be born tapping into the Shadow Weave, and my answer was essentially yes, only the character would need to have Shadow Weave Magic as a first-level feat. I suppose I could have made that more clear, but that ought to do it. |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2004 : 10:07:25
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| Well the shadow adept is basicly a prestige class for sorcerers and wizards. All the shadow adepts, game wise, has taken lvls in the before mentioned classes to qualify for the shadow adept. So yes, there is something like a shadow sorcerer. Also any cleric can also become a shadow adept since the prime reqs for the Shadow Adept prestige class is to be able to cast either 3rd lvl arcane spells (sorcerer, wizard, bard) or 3rd lvl divine spells (cleric, druid). |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2004 : 23:10:06
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| Since this is a topic about the Shadow Weave, can someone please tell me what's the difference between the Weave and the Shadow Weave? Also, what are the pros and cons. I have the "Magic of Faerun" manual but it's kinda confusing. |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 03:23:07
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Well basicly you loose a bit of sanity by using the shadow weave (-2 to your wisdom score permanently) but you also recieve the following feats for free: Insidious Magic, Pernicious Magic, and Tenacious Magic. Also you get +1 spell save DC to your enchantment, illusion, necromancy, and spells with the darkness descriptor. You do however loose 1 lvl with regards to caster lvl when it comes to transmutation and evocation spells, and you can't cast spells with the darkness descriptor. Also your spells function normally within a wild magic or dead magic area since those two areas are in the normal weave. Also, Shar controls the Shadow Weave so if she feels you aren't worthy of recieving its "blessing" then you wont get anything. What speaks in your favour though is that if you were able to discover the secret of the shadow weave, then you are indeed worthy.
When it comes to understanding the shadow weave you must think of the normal weave as a sort of net that spans Toril completely. The shadow weave is a of shadow of the normal weave that fill in the blank spots so to speak. What is most powerful of the two is hard say. Though some scholars speculate that the shadow weave is able to fuel some spells that the normal weave isn't. After all, after the Karsus incident the reborn Mystra put a restriction on the weave so it was only able to support up to 9th lvl spells. Some people suspect that the Shadow Weave doesn't have this restriction, but really, it remains to be seen. |
A wise man from Calimport once told me: "If a merchant puts sand in the flask of oil he's trying to sell you, then he isn't trying to sell you sand..." |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 16:49:49
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 There is a topic called concept of the shadow weave, can we limit this discussion to shadow sorcerers? |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 18:31:09
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| that is true Shadowlord |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 20:21:42
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Thanks for the info, Cherrn.
Shadowlord, I'll keep my questions in the other topic then. Won't happen again. |
"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 20:46:05
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| No problem. If you should desire more on the topic of the shadow weave, just ask me. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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