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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 16 Dec 2012 : 11:25:52
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Hi all.. today I am a x player but I still have some interests in Forgotten Realms.. I don't know much about the 4 edition and what have happened to the Forgotten realms so please bare over me for asking this question?
Do we know what happened to Jargal and the remains of Myrkul in the 4 edition ? Is Elminster still alive? heard that he were killed? how?
May you all have a great Christmas.. when the time comes..
yours
Victor Ograygor
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Dec 2012 : 12:30:45
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Well...that's about four years worth of stories to sum up. And I'll tell you right now, most of what you'll hear will be negative.
Jergal's still around working for Kelemvor; to my knowledge he wasn't really the focus of any major storylines. Myrkul's still dead, any plots to bring him back were left hanging.
Elminster is technically still alive, the hows of it are complicated. |
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Dec 2012 : 12:41:01
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
1591 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2012 : 12:53:23
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A lot of the old Gods got killed, including Helm , Mystra ( though it looks like she will be back soon enough), Tyr, Mask , Azuth etc.
Some were subsumed like Lathander turning out to be Amunathor and Talos turning out to be Grumuush. Also a few went missing in the Spellglague like Deneir and Rillifane Rallathil and many others.
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Dec 2012 : 13:16:20
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Not a good time to be a God.
Unless you're Gruumsh. Then it's a pretty good time. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2012 : 13:47:46
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Primordials are the 'new kewl'. Gods are soooo last edition. 
Maztica disappeared, Abeir appeared, and three 'new races' (that were always there but looked different) arrived. Cormyr grew, and the Shades ate Sembia and took their stuff. Thay became an episode of The Walking Dead. Mulhorand went bye-bye as well (along with the final remnants of Unther), and were replaced with... drum-roll please.... Imaskari!
Because, you know, having one returned ancient empire of magical humans just wasn't enough.
Since most of the owners of all the ruins have 'shown up' there really isn't anything to explore, so most folks just stay home and farm these days. Not very exciting, but food production is way up.  |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 16 Dec 2012 : 16:49:56
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
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Not a good time to be a God.
Unless you're Gruumsh. Then it's a pretty good time.
Good point. Things worked out pretty good for Selune , Akadi and Sune as well. Not to mention Lolth. Someones cackling happily in the Demon web Pits.
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Dec 2012 : 22:38:08
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Since most of the owners of all the ruins have 'shown up' there really isn't anything to explore, so most folks just stay home and farm these days. Not very exciting, but food production is way up.
I don't know, land disputes can be plenty exciting when carried out with spells and swords as opposed to civil lawsuits. |
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Lichprince
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 Dec 2012 : 23:12:28
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I don't know, land disputes can be plenty exciting when carried out with spells and swords as opposed to civil lawsuits.
Or when the lawyers are bloodthirsty devils. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Dec 2012 : 00:52:00
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
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Since most of the owners of all the ruins have 'shown up' there really isn't anything to explore, so most folks just stay home and farm these days. Not very exciting, but food production is way up.
I don't know, land disputes can be plenty exciting when carried out with spells and swords as opposed to civil lawsuits.
I disagree. You just haven't dug deep enough.
Many fallen Netherese enclaves are yet to be found. Shade is doing its best to unearth them, but its years of efforts don't really pay off that well. They've found just two out of the one hundred-plus (disputable number).
If you've read The Shield of Weeping Ghosts by James P. Davis and The Masked Witches by Richard Lee Byers, then you should know that the great wizards of Raumathar and Narfell had left traces of their fallen civilizations that are yet to be discovered...We've seen a few pieces, but not the whole, and never will... |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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4598 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2012 : 17:55:52
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Sheesh, guys--always with the bitterness. It's been four years and there's a new edition on the horizon. Time to move on?
To answer the OP, Victor, there have been quite a few changes, as one might expect over a hundred year period, particularly one that began with the conjunction of two worlds. It kicked off when Mystra was (ostensibly) killed in her home realm of Dweomerheart, leading to planar chaos and the collapse of the Weave of magic, unleashing an event called the Spellplague that ravaged the world for a decade (and has lingering effects until the mid 1480s). Magic went wild and mortals couldn't channel it the same way they had (though they eventually learned to call upon the source of magic directly without Mystra as an intermediary). Toril and its long-forgotten twin world Abeir rejoined, swapping parts of one world for parts of the other, leaving alien landscapes and strange interloper races scattered across Faerun. Many gods were slain (Helm, Tyr, others), went into hiding (Mystra, see Ed's Elminster series), or otherwise disappeared (their fates unknown), though a great many of them still have echoes of power that persist in the Realms (such as Mask in Kemp's Erevis Cale books, or Helm with my Shadowbane series). Beings of great elemental power called Primordials, most of whom were bound in the world of Abeir thousands upon thousands of years ago, rose to greater prominence (or at least were recognized as existing and as potential threats).
That's the general summary. That makes it sound like 4e ushered in big sweeping changes--and it did, no question--but a lot of the day-to-day stuff in the Realms is remarkably unchanged from the way it always has been. The Realms is still very much the Realms.
No specific information on Myrkul--as far as we know, he's still around and kicking the way he was in 3e (inside the Crown of Horns). Same with Jergal--he carries on as the seneschal of Kelemvor. Elminster . . . well, you'll want to read Ed's novels, but yes, he does technically "die" at least once, but death for the Old Mage is not the same as destruction, and really just yet another obstacle, not a story ender. 
Other specific questions, let me know!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
1591 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2012 : 18:02:48
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| Well said and summarized Mr. Brie. No more 4e vitriol please. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Dec 2012 : 19:28:45
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I thought ther was something mentioned about he crown of horns.........
either in the halls of undermountain or one of the articles or ddi that went with it. or was it with taht one on skullport.......
Ill move on when 5e realms comes out and we can look back on $e realms and say its all better now. On that note I chose to the best of my ability not to take part in any more negative explanation threads |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Dec 2012 : 19:51:51
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Originally posted by Thauranil
Well said and summarized Mr. Brie. No more 4e vitriol please.
Can I still complain about 3rd Edition? *G* |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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3750 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2012 : 21:14:04
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| While MT's assessment was rather tongue-in-cheek, I will admit that he actually summed up the cahnges fairly accurately, including the parts about Maztica, Thay, Sembia/the Shades, and Mulhorand. I've grown somewhat ambivilant over the mechanical changes during 4th ed- I only played it once, and that was enough to turn me off of it (that tends to happen when I try to unsuccessfully convert a favorite current character to fit the new edition, only to discover that it destroys the character's concept and physical traits)- it's some of the big sweeping changes Erik metioned(lands disappearing, gods getting offed, and particularly the Spellplague) that bothered me most. Mostly over it now- but still hoping that the new edition will address the most glaring changes that were made. |
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Dec 2012 : 21:39:49
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2012 : 00:17:07
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Mostly over it now- but still hoping that the new edition will address the most glaring changes that were made.
That's WotC's plan. But I've spoken about the Sundering and FR post DnD-Next at length before. Change is coming, and from what I know of it, it's change for the better.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Alystra Illianniis
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2012 : 04:30:26
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
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479 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2012 : 08:48:29
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 18 Dec 2012 : 12:40:34
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Well said and summarized Mr. Brie. No more 4e vitriol please.
Can I still complain about 3rd Edition? *G*
Sure ,knock yourself out. |
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Lichprince
Acolyte
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Posted - 18 Dec 2012 : 13:17:32
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Mostly over it now- but still hoping that the new edition will address the most glaring changes that were made.
That's WotC's plan. But I've spoken about the Sundering and FR post DnD-Next at length before. Change is coming, and from what I know of it, it's change for the better.
Cheers
What does "better" mean in this case? Simply a rollback to the situation before the spellplague?
Because that might be what some want, but it would definitely just be pathetic and hackneyed in execution, like it always has been.
Then again, that's the fate of the Forgotten Realms, because the owners of D&D somehow believe that it must be the core setting of its newest game edition, and so apocalyptic changes to the game world have to happen to justify the new rules, like the Times of Troubles, the clashing of Vecna's dread realm upon Sigil, and the Spellplague.
I predict a next contrived catastrophic cataclysm in the Forgotten Realms for D&D 6th edition, and another one when D&D 7th edition appears, and so on and so fort. |
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Rofocale
Acolyte
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Posted - 18 Dec 2012 : 13:35:06
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Originally posted by Lichprince
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Mostly over it now- but still hoping that the new edition will address the most glaring changes that were made.
That's WotC's plan. But I've spoken about the Sundering and FR post DnD-Next at length before. Change is coming, and from what I know of it, it's change for the better.
Cheers
What does "better" mean in this case? Simply a rollback to the situation before the spellplague?
Because that might be what some want, but it would definitely just be pathetic and hackneyed in execution, like it always has been.
Then again, that's the fate of the Forgotten Realms, because the owners of D&D somehow believe that it must be the core setting of its newest game edition, and so apocalyptic changes to the game world have to happen to justify the new rules, like the Times of Troubles, the clashing of Vecna's dread realm upon Sigil, and the Spellplague.
I predict a next contrived catastrophic cataclysm in the Forgotten Realms for D&D 6th edition, and another one when D&D 7th edition appears, and so on and so fort.
You are way off here. Not only does this not answer the question asked at the beginning, but you're not even being constructive with your complaints. You're just taking shots. At least find a thread in which that would be appropriate. Completely off-topic. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Dec 2012 : 13:58:40
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What does "better" mean in this case? Simply a rollback to the situation before the spellplague?
No, not really. From what I gathered they're not rolling anything back such as a reboot or reset (like the new Star Trek films). What I think they're doing is attempting to fix a few things people weren't happy about, mostly in novels. Then, from a game standpoint, hopefully they'll give more freedom by ways of using lore to run games in which ever era you prefer. Something akin to Star Wars where there's room for people to play in a setting like Knight of the Old Republic AND in events after the destruction of the 2nd Death Star. Basically, I don't think they're going to pigeon hole people and their games to play at a specific period in time. Plus, I believe (conjecture, mind you) that they're permitting the writing of novels set in any time frame, not just post-Spellplague.
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Because that might be what some want, but it would definitely just be pathetic and hackneyed in execution, like it always has been.
I.....can't really argue with you there. Hopefully they don't roll anything back or invalidate the work many people have put into the setting since '08, despite that happening to works previous to '08. To me, two wrongs don't make it right, just more wrong.
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Then again, that's the fate of the Forgotten Realms, because the owners of D&D somehow believe that it must be the core setting of its newest game edition, and so apocalyptic changes to the game world have to happen to justify the new rules, like the Times of Troubles, the clashing of Vecna's dread realm upon Sigil, and the Spellplague.
No one's said anything about the FR being the "CORE" Setting. In fact, I'm pretty certain that there will be NO core setting, except for perhaps Nentir Vale. What they ARE supposed to be doing is releasing the Forgotten Realms as the 1st setting after launch. Like with 4E, I'm sure each setting might get their own spotlight but I hope it's more expansive than the 3 that we got (FR, Eberron, DS). Ravenloft, Dragonlance, etc are very popular too so I can only hope they get some love this time around.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 18 Dec 2012 : 16:12:12
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I was actually shooting for 'neutral'.....
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
While MT's assessment was rather tongue-in-cheek, I will admit that he actually summed up the changes fairly accurately,<snip>
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Sheesh, guys--always with the bitterness. It's been four years and there's a new edition on the horizon. Time to move on? <snip>
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
Marukstay's assessment was a bit too kind in my opinion.
Not sure what side of the fence I landed on - I suppose what I said can be taken different ways, depending on which side of the fence the reader was already on (going by the above comments).
I was actually trying to give a small slice of the major things that happened, while also conveying how that lore was received, just to give a very general, over-all impression of how things went in 4e. I avoided details because any of us could go on for pages (pro or con), and I wanted to avoid that just to avoid the usual arguments, which are - at this point IMHO - FAR WORSE then any lore changes themselves. 4e is over - "the king is dead, long live the king", yadda, yadda, yadda....
Lets move on. I love rollercoasters, but this one is getting old. |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 18 Dec 2012 : 17:14:24
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Sheesh, guys--always with the bitterness. It's been four years and there's a new edition on the horizon. Time to move on?
To answer the OP, Victor, there have been quite a few changes, as one might expect over a hundred year period, particularly one that began with the conjunction of two worlds. It kicked off when Mystra was (ostensibly) killed in her home realm of Dweomerheart, leading to planar chaos and the collapse of the Weave of magic, unleashing an event called the Spellplague that ravaged the world for a decade (and has lingering effects until the mid 1480s). Magic went wild and mortals couldn't channel it the same way they had (though they eventually learned to call upon the source of magic directly without Mystra as an intermediary). Toril and its long-forgotten twin world Abeir rejoined, swapping parts of one world for parts of the other, leaving alien landscapes and strange interloper races scattered across Faerun. Many gods were slain (Helm, Tyr, others), went into hiding (Mystra, see Ed's Elminster series), or otherwise disappeared (their fates unknown), though a great many of them still have echoes of power that persist in the Realms (such as Mask in Kemp's Erevis Cale books, or Helm with my Shadowbane series). Beings of great elemental power called Primordials, most of whom were bound in the world of Abeir thousands upon thousands of years ago, rose to greater prominence (or at least were recognized as existing and as potential threats).
That's the general summary. That makes it sound like 4e ushered in big sweeping changes--and it did, no question--but a lot of the day-to-day stuff in the Realms is remarkably unchanged from the way it always has been. The Realms is still very much the Realms.
No specific information on Myrkul--as far as we know, he's still around and kicking the way he was in 3e (inside the Crown of Horns). Same with Jergal--he carries on as the seneschal of Kelemvor. Elminster . . . well, you'll want to read Ed's novels, but yes, he does technically "die" at least once, but death for the Old Mage is not the same as destruction, and really just yet another obstacle, not a story ender.
Other specific questions, let me know!
Cheers
Nah, the bitterness will always remain. I know you try to keep a positive upbeat attitude about the future, but many of us longtime fans will always have a problem with, and speak our dislike over 4th Edition forced changes and wax nostalgic. It kind of is our right as customers until the new edition comes out and huts us up(I hope) :) so I don't see why you continually berate us for it.
2007 was a bad year for me.
To me it is like when Pride folded and was absorbed by the UFC. The best fights and fighting organization the world has ever seen, loses their TV contract in Japan and sell to the UFC. The UFC made all sorts of promises about making the matches we have longed to see, but the end result was underwhelming(unified MMA rules in north America rendered several of the world best fighters unable to use some of their most powerful tools. Kicks/knees/Stomps to a downed opponents head), although we did get a several good fights out of it. The end result is just not what was promised. Much like 4e. Mind you the UFC was and is still much more enjoyable than 4e
I am looking forward to 5e precisely because it looks like the plan is to bring back the feel of what was lost. If 5e pleases me and makes me want to spend money, then you will see me heaping praise on it and the team instead of criticism. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 18 Dec 2012 : 19:00:36
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Should I start calling you Mr. President? Lol! Sorry, I couldn't resist the comparison.
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Originally posted by sfdragon
No you call hiim the next Lord High Priest of Helm
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Originally posted by Lord Bane
I always pictured him a fiend in disguise who lures unwary scribes towards a path of darkness
I'll take all of these, actually.
And @MT: I wasn't saying you were bitter.
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Nah, the bitterness will always remain. I know you try to keep a positive upbeat attitude about the future, but many of us longtime fans will always have a problem with, and speak our dislike over 4th Edition forced changes and wax nostalgic. It kind of is our right as customers until the new edition comes out and huts us up(I hope) :) so I don't see why you continually berate us for it.
I'm not berating you for it. You are of course, as you say, perfectly within your rights to hold whatever opinions you like, and not be bullied or shamed for it.
(Also, I don't think you were actually questioning my Realms cred, but in case anyone makes the mistake of thinking I'm a 4e Realms guy, I want to set the record straight: I've been reading in the Realms since Darkwalker and gaming there since the 2e box. I don't think I ever actually had the OGB. But yeah, longtime fan here.)
I do wonder whether it's really constructive or appropriate to respond to a simple (if expansive) lore request with editorializing. For instance, if someone were to ask in good faith about something I didn't like in the Realms, I don't think I would reply with how stupid that particular thing is (in my opinion). I would either answer the question fairly and honestly, or just click over to another thread. Even in this thread, there are plenty of things I dislike (sometimes extremely) about the 4e Realms, but that's outside the scope of the question.
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I am looking forward to 5e precisely because it looks like the plan is to bring back the feel of what was lost. If 5e pleases me and makes me want to spend money, then you will see me heaping praise on it and the team instead of criticism.
As you like. WotC has sent clear signals that it has recognized the criticism and is working to fix its mistakes. I hope it works out for you, just like I hope it works out for me. I'm hoping that it gives us a comfy place to move to, away from the sour taste 4e has left for a lot of Realms fans.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Old Man Harpell
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 18 Dec 2012 : 22:54:51
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Originally posted by Lichprince
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Mostly over it now- but still hoping that the new edition will address the most glaring changes that were made.
That's WotC's plan. But I've spoken about the Sundering and FR post DnD-Next at length before. Change is coming, and from what I know of it, it's change for the better.
Cheers
What does "better" mean in this case? Simply a rollback to the situation before the spellplague?
Because that might be what some want, but it would definitely just be pathetic and hackneyed in execution, like it always has been.
Then again, that's the fate of the Forgotten Realms, because the owners of D&D somehow believe that it must be the core setting of its newest game edition, and so apocalyptic changes to the game world have to happen to justify the new rules, like the Times of Troubles, the clashing of Vecna's dread realm upon Sigil, and the Spellplague.
I predict a next contrived catastrophic cataclysm in the Forgotten Realms for D&D 6th edition, and another one when D&D 7th edition appears, and so on and so fort.
From what I have been led to understand, the 'rollback' is purely geographical. In other words, Ao is going to forcefully return Toril to how it was configured to a time preceding the Sellplague and time jump.
Wizbro has said it is not going to give anything else the same rollback treatment. Time will not have changed, all the previous events ('Plague, time jump, etc) will still have happened, and all the other results from 4th Edition and earlier will stand.
Naturally, there are some issues I'm unhappy with that they can hopefully yet resolve, but all things considered, this was not a bad way to chart a new course into the future of the Realms. In point of fact, I think it is among the best solutions they could have come up with, and not torqued off any one segment of their customer base beyond hope of retention. Add to that, they have said that the Sundering will be the very last RSE. Any changes after that will be teeny-tiny.
I am a terminal grognard, but I really do think there's cause to be optimistic. I may have few kind words about 4th Edition Realms (and that's unlikely to change), but Wizbro has presented us with a way to move past that, or at the very least an excellent foundation to do so.
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Victor_ograygor
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What happend in the 4 edition?
