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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
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 Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 22:35:24
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| You may master the art of the SHadows, but no creature can hide itself from my all-seeing True Sight! |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 22:38:59
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Why do I even bother to post when half of the scribes here are so arrogant that they think the Realms revolve around them? Myself, of course, included.  |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 22:43:13
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You mistake my confidence for arrogance, my good Shadowdancer. I am mearely informing you that if you were to be foolish enough to attempt to arrange an... untimely departure by my side, you would, likely, fail.
On a different Note:
WHAT, THE BLOODY FU*K IS WRONG WITH MY ToB CD!?!?!? It's completely *ucked-up! I can't install ToB! What am I goign to do now!?!?!?!?!? The HORROR!!! |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 22:56:37
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| I highly doubt that I would fail, and on another note, would the Underside be scratched? |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 23:00:01
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You would fail, miserably, my good Dancer. (Sounds silly when you remove Shadow, doesn't it?) I am allways protected by a handy Stoneskin you see, rendering me immune to any devious plots of backstabbing.
On that other note:
No the udnerside isn't 'scratched'. It's bloody, frekin' cut! I don't know what has happened to it, but a long line has formed on it. And one of those 'nasty' lines, not one of the 'annoying' lines. (Annoying ones are the ones going from the center and aou, and the nasty ones are the ones forming a circle.) |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 23:02:32
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It does sound rather silly, and I assure you I am not a dancer, .
Oh, nasty lines, that doesn't sound good..... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 23:03:49
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| It seems that I shall either have to find a better CD-rom, or that I will be forced to buy a new copy of the game! Ahh... what a shame! |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 23:04:43
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| Truly.... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 23:06:57
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*akward silence...*
So... where are the stats for your famed Sorceror, then? I'd like to see he who can defeat my nice little Fighter/Mage. (Post them in the appropriate topic, mind me) |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 23:17:58
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| I shall, but i can't seem to find my BG2 disc.... As soon as I do, I can begin to gloat over your fighter/mage. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 23:35:15
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We shall see.
Remember that I could allways change the spells I have choosen  |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 23:38:39
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| Bah, burn in the Abyss....... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 23:47:52
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| Been there. Done that. |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 23:51:29
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| Really? You too? |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 23:53:19
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| Yes. Was a rather nasty incident, really. With a planar shpere, and the need of a Demon heart. And quite a rewarding one, I might add! I gout out alive, and with 2 hearts! 1 for the Sphere, and 1 for further... experiments... |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 00:06:17
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| Hmmm, I was nearly sacrificed to Lolth, but instead risked jumping through an open gate. I was then sent to the Demonweb, where I met the avatar of my god, Vhaeraun. It was then that I became a Vhaeraunite. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2004 : 21:11:12
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| Yes I heard about that. |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Kaervok
Seeker
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2004 : 01:30:31
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| A vhaerunite? Hmm. I forgot, who is my diety? Well I think I gave up on dieties and gods when I became a learned archmage. I forgot the gods and looked for power within myself and the weave. So I am powerful now with my own magics and hellballs and dragon breaths spells. I also have a huge mage tower and know that I will always be better than clerics because I don't haev to get my magic from the gods. Praying.. Pshh. Although I think I would like bhaal or... Kossuth .....? |
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Sourcemaster2
Senior Scribe
USA
361 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2004 : 04:16:54
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| It's generally agreed that mages and sorcerers are equal. Obviously one would have an advantage in certain situations over the other, but their respective abilities pretty much cancel each other out. A wizard that wasn't expecting to battle today would be destroyed by the sorcerer that is always prepared, just as the mage who had observed and accounted for all of the spells a sorc knows would crush him. Even the feats match up. A mage can craft any magical item(with enough research), while a sorc is limited to the few spells he has, and a sorc can spontaneously metamagic his spells(despite the added time cost) |
But what have all the passing years/Done, but breed new angers, fears?/Show me now an equal worth/To innocence I earned at birth. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Feb 2004 : 05:13:37
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BG2 has no feats, so that's not really relevant. In any case, BG2 uses a somewhat butchered set of rules, anyway, not that I mind. I prefer sorcerer generally, since I hate having to select spells to memorize to prepare for the next fight.
Mage/fighter is a combo that screams for cheese. Anyone that's ever tried it can attest to that; anyone that's tried, say, the Solaufien mod can further attest to the pure cheese, as Solaufien comes with some very... interesting equipment. However, in a duel of equivalent level...
Can the mage/fighter cast Timestop and other ToB-only spells? If not, he's in to have his behind kicked really badly. If you haven't removed the level cap, a mage/fighter will have a rather limited arsenal of spells. If the sorcerer, for instance, utilizes the summon-multiple-planetars cheese, the mage/fighter is as good as dead. |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2004 : 23:43:49
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Dude. The Fighter/Mage ownz the Sorcerer any day. Hell! The F/M can kill-off the Sorcerer with a simple Power Word: Kill! 8 levels of Fighter is hardly any XP at all. It actaully allows you to reach Level 31 with the mage. (Max level, even if you are single classed). And I'd just like to say that I'll take 124 HP, the ability to use any kinds of weapons and armour, and a bunch of extra profency points over the sorcerers ability to cast spells, without having to memorize them, any day.
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Can the mage/fighter cast Timestop and other ToB-only spells? If not, he's in to have his behind kicked really badly. If you haven't removed the level cap, a mage/fighter will have a rather limited arsenal of spells. If the sorcerer, for instance, utilizes the summon-multiple-planetars cheese, the mage/fighter is as good as dead.
What on earth is that supposed to mean? OFcourse a level 31 Mage can use all the spells in the book. |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 08:43:23
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If the characters' levels are both maxxed, yes.
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Dude. The Fighter/Mage ownz the Sorcerer any day. Hell! The F/M can kill-off the Sorcerer with a simple Power Word: Kill!
...inane much?
Power Word: Kill can be, you know, resisted. And not as if sorcerers can't cast it or anything. |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 10:04:16
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I played with a level 31 sorc. He didn't have above 90 Hitpoints. Power Word: Kill = Dead Sorcerer.
And why on earth did you think that I empathised that one of the primary benifits of dualing a Fighter is the Hitpoints?
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If the characters' levels are both maxxed, yes.
Not like that matters. The F/M jsut needs a little bit of protection while he reaches level 9. And mages level really fast early on, so that'll not be a problem. And with a mere 124000XP 'drain' from the Fighter-Part You'll not even notice it. Any level +9 the F/M will own the Sorcerer. Mw0h4h4h4h4h4h4!!1 |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2013 : 08:50:39
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| Hard answer. I'd say Mages, mainly because once you use a sorcerer spell ,let's say, level one. It depletes ALL level one spells, where as mage memorized and scroll used spells only get rid of THAT spell for the time being. Mages win that already. |
" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?"
~Joneleth Irenicus
"Wisdom? My dear boy, wisdom is knowing that you do not know everything. Wisdom is realizing, a wise man ALWAYS has questions. Not answers."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Nov 2013 : 14:07:03
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Much like any X vs Y debate, it's all about the scenario.
A wizard who is prepped with a bunch of combat spells will take a sorcerer of identical level, easily, simply by having more spells.
A wizard who is not prepped solely for combat, though, will likely be at a disadvantage when compared to the sorcerer, because the sorcerer can always cast his combat spells, even if he planned on spending the entire day in the library or having a night out with his lady.
It's been argued here somewhat recently, but I will never accept the premise that every single wizard wakes up every single day and makes sure he's got a full load-out of combat spells, regardless of his actual plans for the day. That's like saying a mechanic on his day off is going to lug around his entire toolchest, just in case he finds himself unexpectedly needing to fix a car.
The strength of the wizard is that properly prepared, a wizard of sufficient level can handle just about any scenario, and could outcast a sorcerer in the same scenario. The weakness of the wizard is the need to prepare his spells; the wizard who expects to spend all day doing research or crafting magical items is in trouble if anything else happens.
The sorcerer's strength is versatility. He is always prepared for any scenario, since he can pick and choose his spells whenever he needs to. The weakness of the sorcerer is that if they don't resolve a particular scenario rather quickly, they may find themselves out of spells.
It's all about preference. Do you think it's better to be able to handle anything, decisively, so long as you make the appropriate preparations, or do you think it's better to be able to react to anything and at least get yourself out of trouble?
My preference is being able to react without preparation, but arguments can be made for the increased spell load-out of a wizard. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Nov 2013 : 14:08:50
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Originally posted by Alruane
Hard answer. I'd say Mages, mainly because once you use a sorcerer spell ,let's say, level one. It depletes ALL level one spells, where as mage memorized and scroll used spells only get rid of THAT spell for the time being. Mages win that already.
Of course, sorcerers can also use scrolls, so a level one sorcerer is not necessarily a one-shot caster. |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 24 Nov 2013 : 20:40:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alruane
Hard answer. I'd say Mages, mainly because once you use a sorcerer spell ,let's say, level one. It depletes ALL level one spells, where as mage memorized and scroll used spells only get rid of THAT spell for the time being. Mages win that already.
Of course, sorcerers can also use scrolls, so a level one sorcerer is not necessarily a one-shot caster.
Tis true, I just always favored a mage. Mainly any of the specializations, NOT ALL, but most. |
" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?"
~Joneleth Irenicus
"Wisdom? My dear boy, wisdom is knowing that you do not know everything. Wisdom is realizing, a wise man ALWAYS has questions. Not answers."
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