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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36809 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 18:09:56
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quote: Originally posted by Kno
hard to tell - Dumbledore was gay, Elminster perv, Gandalf celibate
And what does any of that have to do with anything? |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 21:18:25
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Kno
hard to tell - Dumbledore was gay, Elminster perv, Gandalf celibate
And what does any of that have to do with anything?
Probably nothing other than showing that Kno is a bitter reader |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
1814 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 00:10:05
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Cugel the Clever was a mage? It's been decades since I read the stories about him, but I don't remember that. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31789 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 02:14:03
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quote: Originally posted by Entreri3478
quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Kno
hard to tell - Dumbledore was gay, Elminster perv, Gandalf celibate
And what does any of that have to do with anything?
Probably nothing other than showing that Kno is a bitter reader
Okay, we really don't need to go down that path.
Let's try to remain courteous and civil, eh, and move on? |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
1591 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2012 : 17:20:21
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I really liked the character of Jonathan Strange. A perfect ,English gentleman of a wizard. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36809 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2012 : 17:39:48
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quote: Originally posted by Thauranil
I really liked the character of Jonathan Strange. A perfect ,English gentleman of a wizard.
I quite enjoyed that one, myself. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
1591 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2012 : 15:12:30
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Thauranil
I really liked the character of Jonathan Strange. A perfect ,English gentleman of a wizard.
I quite enjoyed that one, myself.
Yes its quite a pity that there were no more books written in that series or another other by Ms. Susanna Clarke. I for one would love to read more of her alternative Britain with its rediscovered rich history of magic. |
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
Learned Scribe
USA
324 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2013 : 08:00:26
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Elminster got my vote, if only for the fact that The Simbul wasn't an option. (Why isn't she on the list?) |
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charger_ss24
Learned Scribe
USA
108 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2013 : 17:46:35
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quote: Originally posted by Drustan Dwnhaedan
Elminster got my vote, if only for the fact that The Simbul wasn't an option. (Why isn't she on the list?)
I too, voted Elminster and his eversmoking pipe. Only because Robillard wasn't on the list. That guy is a bad ass. |
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jornan
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 04:50:05
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Elminster received my vote...although I must admit that even after all these years of fantasy reading I still cannot get through LotR. I watched the movies though! Ha.
As for Dumbledore, you could combine him and all the other Potter Mythos wizards and pit them against Elminster and maybe you would have a fight on your hands....I would very much like to see that eradication.
I thought Harry Potter books were OK, don't get me wrong |
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Entromancer
Senior Scribe
USA
388 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 23:31:01
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I feel Dumbledore is the better character, but let's not stand on ceremony here. We know the best wizard is Jace. Always bet on Jace. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36809 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 23:39:19
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quote: Originally posted by Entromancer
I feel Dumbledore is the better character, but let's not stand on ceremony here. We know the best wizard is Jace. Always bet on Jace.
I have no idea who Jace is. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2013 : 01:35:19
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Rincewind. Absolutely no contest, although technically he's a "wizzard".
Although Merlin was certainly the most accomplished, in my mind, given his legendary abilities to consistently work great magics on our own no-magic-or-low-magic world. The other guys all got it easy in that regard. Being a fiend-sired half-immortal is just a bonus.
And the Wizard of Oz certainly had a good gig going, too bad he was ultimately revealed as a bombastic incompetent.
I've always been inexplicably fascinated by the mythology of the Telchines. But most people've never heard of 'em. |
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
Learned Scribe
USA
324 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2013 : 05:25:48
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quote: Originally posted by Ayrik
Rincewind. Absolutely no contest, although technically he's a "wizzard".
Although Merlin was certainly the most accomplished, in my mind, given his legendary abilities to consistently work great magics on our own no-magic-or-low-magic world. The other guys all got it easy in that regard. Being a fiend-sired half-immortal is just a bonus.
And the Wizard of Oz certainly had a good gig going, too bad he was ultimately revealed as a bombastic incompetent.
I've always been inexplicably fascinated by the mythology of the Telchines. But most people've never heard of 'em.
Dang, I can't believe I completely forgot about Rincewind! He should definitely be on the list!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36809 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2013 : 05:53:02
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quote: Originally posted by Ayrik
Rincewind. Absolutely no contest, although technically he's a "wizzard".
Although Merlin was certainly the most accomplished, in my mind, given his legendary abilities to consistently work great magics on our own no-magic-or-low-magic world. The other guys all got it easy in that regard. Being a fiend-sired half-immortal is just a bonus.
It's possible that our world isn't low magic -- it could be that knowledge of how to access it has been lost or suppressed.
There's plenty of magic and things that go bump in the night in the Dresden Files books, for example -- but even some of the people that have seen Harry in action don't believe he's doing magic. |
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Entromancer
Senior Scribe
USA
388 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2013 : 00:41:31
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Entromancer
I feel Dumbledore is the better character, but let's not stand on ceremony here. We know the best wizard is Jace. Always bet on Jace.
I have no idea who Jace is.
Jace the Mind Sculptor, a planeswalking telepath from the Magic: the Gathering tcg and novel line. He's the bane of competitive players everywhere.
Aside from Jace, I'd say Randall Flagg was an excellent wizard. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2013 : 15:19:40
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quote: Originally posted by Entromancer
quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Entromancer
I feel Dumbledore is the better character, but let's not stand on ceremony here. We know the best wizard is Jace. Always bet on Jace.
I have no idea who Jace is.
Jace the Mind Sculptor, a planeswalking telepath from the Magic: the Gathering tcg and novel line. He's the bane of competitive players everywhere.
Aside from Jace, I'd say Randall Flagg was an excellent wizard.
I love Jace, and in MtG, he’s indeed the best—though I’d say equal to Tezzeret in terms of skill, magic, and artifice. Cross-setting-wise, hmm, I wouldn’t say he’s the best. My vote still goes to Pug, the wizard who literally chopped the moon. |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 09:10:11
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Elminster Aumar. Definitely. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
1847 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2013 : 16:00:46
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El, though Gandy was close. El is a grumpy old man without being spiteful, pretty much cares for everyone and can kick deific arse when needed. |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2013 : 20:04:30
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I do believe that was put in the best proper terms, Elminster has it all. |
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Owesstaer
Acolyte
Luxembourg
30 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2016 : 16:09:54
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Another vote for El from myself.
In addition to being a pawn, he has retained a human personality... and he's got the Symbul! ;) |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
581 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2016 : 21:41:59
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Elminster |
BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL. HE DECAPITATES!!!
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maltor ramus
Acolyte
Canada
12 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2016 : 05:40:55
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Elminster as my vote is not only powerful & cunning, but he's able to date a goddess and in my book that makes him the strongest of them all lol:) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36809 Posts |
Posted - 09 Apr 2016 : 18:07:37
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quote: Originally posted by The Masked Mage
First - how did Dumbledore even make the list? He was not very powerful and in the end was dead.
He was one of the most powerful wizards in the Potterverse. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36809 Posts |
Posted - 09 Apr 2016 : 22:29:48
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Of the three of them, Dumbledore is the only pure mortal. Elminster is of course a Chosen, and Gandalf was one of the Maiar -- a kind of spirit, sent down by the kinda-sorta-deities of Middle-Earth. |
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Sunderstone
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Jul 2019 : 19:45:23
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Of the three of them, Dumbledore is the only pure mortal. Elminster is of course a Chosen, and Gandalf was one of the Maiar -- a kind of spirit, sent down by the kinda-sorta-deities of Middle-Earth.
I went with Gandalf. In Potterverse, I actually like Aberforth better what little we get and in the Realms, Khelban is my favorite. |
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Nilus Reynard
Learned Scribe
Canada
137 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2019 : 07:22:01
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Definitely Elminster.
He has the feel of a very well learned grandfather. One that can be a terror to deal with it angry, but one that will always have your back in the end. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2286 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2020 : 21:53:43
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I know this is complete heresy here, but Dumbledore.
Not because of power, etc.
He just comes across more as that age old wizard from the books and movies. Elminster has a more playful personality in some ways, that is fantastic (don't get me wrong), but doesn't hit me the same.
This in no way means I do not love Elminster to death! He is awesome!!!!!!!! |
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ElfBane
Learned Scribe
USA
286 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2020 : 11:34:12
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Hmmm, Gandalf is in a low magic world compared to FR or Potterverse. Gandalf is a seemingly low ranking Angel. Elminster is semi-devine (Chosen) in a high (VERY high) magic world. Dumbledore seems to be very powerful,,, however the ease of his assassination/murder somehow belies that, IMO. Dumbledore is in a world that has no religion, or at least very little. Therefore he does not seem to have any Divine capabilities.
So, Dumbledore is ruled out because of no divine powers. Gandalf is in a low-magic world, and it shows in his limited ability to directly affect Middle-Earth (he usually has to get others to do the dirty work). Elminster "wins", (if you want to call it that) because he is ridiculously over-powered in a high magic world.
Disclaimer: The above thoughts on Dumbledore are based on the movies. The books are simply unreadable for adults(at least this one). |
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