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Aravine
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 Posted - 04 Aug 2012 : 21:18:05
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ok,got a question. Mystra is LN. Presumably Elminster is a cleric of Mystra. Elminster is CG. how does he get spells from Mystra as an alignment outside of the typical one step rule?
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see
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Posted - 04 Aug 2012 : 22:14:00
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Nobody's invented the "one step rule" before 3rd edition in 2000, so Elminster: The Making of a Mage, which establishes Elminster's period as a cleric of Mystra is published in 1995 without any reference to it. There is, in fact, at no point in print any rules limiting what alignments clergy of the LN Mystra can be. (It's not until 1996 that we get such rules for any Faerunian deities, and that only covers the NG Mystra-Midnight, who has clergy of every alignment except NE or CE. In the 1996 Netheril boxed set, it's established the CN predecessor deity Mystryl had clergy of all nine alignments.)
When 3rd edition comes around, Elminster's statted up with reference to Elminster: The Making of a Mage, and nobody tries to mutilate his backstory to fit the 3rd edition rules. |
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Aravine
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Posted - 04 Aug 2012 : 22:23:30
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| Ahhh....that makes sense |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 05 Aug 2012 : 06:09:20
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And IIRC, I believe Ed (or someone else who is 'highly placed' in FR lore) once said that the two-step rule applies to D&D, but not the Forgotten Realms.
In FR, people will usually gravitate toward gods with similar outlooks as themselves, but the deities will take whatever they can get. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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TBeholder
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Posted - 13 Aug 2012 : 18:05:05
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Originally posted by see
When 3rd edition comes around, Elminster's statted up with reference to Elminster: The Making of a Mage, and nobody tries to mutilate his backstory to fit the 3rd edition rules.
(snicker)
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Originally posted by Markustay
And IIRC, I believe Ed (or someone else who is 'highly placed' in FR lore) once said that the two-step rule applies to D&D, but not the Forgotten Realms.
Either way, there's a general rule, and there are specific exclusions. Such as Sune being a Chaotic deity, but still having paladins.  |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 13 Aug 2012 : 19:06:37
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Originally posted by TBeholder
Either way, there's a general rule, and there are specific exclusions. Such as Sune being a Chaotic deity, but still having paladins.
Yep.
In this particular case the exception owed to at least one Realms designer not liking the general rule for D&D and deliberately overriding it for the Realms.
I like it when designers do that. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 14 Aug 2012 : 21:31:28
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Rules in D&D are not laws. People need to remember that. They are merely suggestions, and should be ignored whenever it suits the story to do so (in-game, and in-novel).
I have met some DM's who are 'by the book'. It has been my experience that those who aren't usually run a funner game.
As for the subject of this thread (indirectly), I found it was a let-down at the end of the Threat from the Sea storyline when the main character turned out to be a 'chosen' (not sure if that should be capitalized in his case - he was chosen, but maybe not a Chosen) of Lathander, because you saw it coming all along and it was epically anti-climactic.
Had it turned out to be Umberlee as his patron (because she hated Iakhovas), the series would have gotten 2 more stars in my book. Paladin of Lathander = yawn fest. Paladin of Umberlee? Insanely intriguing. Probably just as interesting as Drow ranger of Mielikki. Odom didn't drop the ball IMO, he lobbed it into another dimension.
Breaking the rules is part of what makes a great story. If I wanted FR books to 'stick to the script', I'd just read sourcebooks. Characters that break the mold are the most fun to read about. |
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