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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
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 Posted - 15 Jan 2013 : 23:35:05
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| Never argued that the realms offer complexity and ambiguity for stories of fantasy subgenres. No realy need to get into an argument over catering for the masses as a pro or con, just keeping the story in mind and how to best portray it with means that do it justice. The economic side of the coin is a whole differant matter which i did not intend to bring up because it tends to always sour the mood with demands on large financial income etc. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31796 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2013 : 01:11:36
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Originally posted by Dark Wizard
I guess the main take away, what we both agree on, is for future D&D-based films projects to continue to receive consideration for production.
Indeed. There is a worthwhile franchise that can be readily expanded upon. It would be a shame to see it fall away into obscurity and potential "what-could-have-beens."
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And don't get me wrong, I think these projects should continue, but on a larger, more professional scale, as much as possible.
I just feel these past films haven't come close to reaching the full potential of the material or their budget in some cases, shoe-string level as they may be.
If we were to learn of a new D&D-related film being produced by one of the big time studios, then that would already be a step in the right direction. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Jan 2013 : 11:55:27
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Full agreement, Dark Wizard.
The film doesn't have to be gritty to sell. And the only way they could make a "proper" film is if it's produced by a big time studios. Fantasy film needs a bigger budget to be rendered well. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Jan 2013 : 17:44:35
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| Personally I'd like to see any further D&D films, Realms included, to be done by a high quality animation studio or with the motion capture style of Beowulf or Avatar. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 18 Jan 2013 : 19:21:15
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Originally posted by Dennis
And the only way they could make a "proper" film is if it's produced by a big time studios. Fantasy film needs a bigger budget to be rendered well.
Yep; if they're gonna do it, then do it right. Don't do it at all unless they're gonna do it right.
The etymology of the word "fantasy" reveals that the concept thrives on fanciful, unrealistic, imaginative imagery. Low budgets are not conducive to that.
Good fantasy requires good preemptive marketing in order to round up the necessary sponsors. Don't proceed with a project unless you've got good PR folks to get the $$, first.
That probably means that the best bet is to focus on offering projects that will have the widest appeal, in order to have the greatest chances of raising the most $$. And whether you like it or not, that probably means something like Drizzt.
I wonder if the hypothetical success of such films would provide enough "collateral" to then champion some other Realms films for other, less-lampooned characters? |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 18 Jan 2013 : 19:33:05
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BEAST
I wonder if the hypothetical success of such films would provide enough "collateral" to then champion some other Realms films for other, less-lampooned characters?
To answer this I ask, how often does Hollywood ignore obvious blockbuster sequel possibilities to try something new and original? And how often does Hollywood blow big budgets on films about unpopular content?
Sure, every now and then a real movie sneaks onto the top of the heap, but with increasing rarity in this age of endless remakes and sequels and adaptions, giving people the eye candy they want, that is, what the producers think people will pay to see. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1625 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2013 : 20:31:28
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| Game of throne, but with alot more magic. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2013 : 20:48:37
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It's not Game of Thrones if it has more magic. The very reason that assassination plots aren't done so conveniently and almost artlessly is because of the lack of "proper" magic. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2013 : 22:34:19
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BEAST
The etymology of the word "fantasy" reveals that the concept thrives on fanciful, unrealistic, imaginative imagery. Low budgets are not conducive to that.
Clearly, you've never seen Deathstalker films (especially DS2 and DS3). They are fanciful, unrealistic, "imaginative" in campy ways, and very definitely low budget. And not an elf to be seen anywhere within them! |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2013 : 22:44:01
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Originally posted by Ayrik
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BEAST
I wonder if the hypothetical success of such films would provide enough "collateral" to then champion some other Realms films for other, less-lampooned characters?
To answer this I ask, how often does Hollywood ignore obvious blockbuster sequel possibilities to try something new and original? And how often does Hollywood blow big budgets on films about unpopular content?
The Punisher (twice)
Daredevil
Catwoman
Captain America
Green Lantern
Supposedly a Dr. Strange film is in the works, too.
They keep trying to see if they can catch-comic-book-adaptation lighting in a bottle.
Waterworld
The Postman
Battle: L.A.
John Carter
Battleship
I seem to recall a lot of big failure movies this past year, with big-name actors, too. Hollywood tries all the time, if they can get an A-lister attached to a project. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2013 : 23:01:04
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| I'm generally more fond of movies populated with hordes of B-listers, like Mars Attacks! (although perhaps what makes that an entertaining movie, to me, is that about 90% of the B-listers meet violent and gruesome ends). |
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31796 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2013 : 02:12:50
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (the newest remake)
I think that might be jumping the gun, somewhat. A Realms live-action endeavour needs to start small, and build a following among non-Realms devotees. And, obviously, succeed in the kind of low-budget ways that the Dungeons & Dragons films failed to accomplish. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2013 : 11:51:13
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Hmm. Maybe, Sage. So perhaps somewhere around the production budget of The Sorcerer's Apprentice... |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 28 Jan 2013 : 09:33:20
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@ Dennis
Good idea, after all Tolkein had a huge fan base even before the movies which is missing in the case of the Realms.
But in the post LOTR world people are a lot more willing to watch movies with elves and wizards and orcs so I think a well made realms movie might do well even with those people who have never heard of Drizzt or Eliminister. |
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2013 : 03:31:12
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (the newest remake)
I think that might be jumping the gun, somewhat. A Realms live-action endeavour needs to start small, and build a following among non-Realms devotees. And, obviously, succeed in the kind of low-budget ways that the Dungeons & Dragons films failed to accomplish.
Come to think of it, a smaller budget film may not be a terrible idea.
Something like Pitch Black was a relatively smaller budget movie that gained a decent following, enough for Chronicles of Riddick, which seemed to increase the scale and production by an order of magnitude. Interestingly the upcoming Riddick seems to have scaled down the story's scope again to match the budget, but that's fine, we're following the character on his adventures around the universe.
A Realms movie, potential start to a series, could start on a smaller, more personal scale to match the budget. It would focus on the characters more. The problem with this is it takes more talent that the current set of D&D movies have shown. Or great luck in striking the right tone and discovering the perfect character/actor combination. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Jan 2013 : 14:10:18
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Oooo. I love The Chronicles of Riddick series. And I'm happy they'd be making a third one. True, Pitch Black is a relatively small-budget film. [It's obvious with the CGI, anyway.] A solid plot and a perfect cast basically saved it. Had it been done with bigger budget, (perhaps they'd do a reboot?) it would have been way, way better. |
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