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Dennis
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 00:09:47
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Poll Question:
What live-action fantasy (or fantasy-sci-fi) film or series of films made you say, If ever they make a Realms movie, I'd like it to be done this way. It could because of how well-written the story is; or how interesting the characters are; or how wonderfully rendered the setting is; or all of the above.
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Edited by - Dennis on 31 May 2012 00:11:40
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Lord Karsus
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 00:59:09
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Aye, Lord of the Rings is the highest standard so far.
IF a Forgotten Realms movie is made though, I would mostly expect it to be about Drizzt as that character has sold FAR more novels than any other character...from a marketing aspect alone it is the best option.
Not my personal choice mind you...I would prefer a movie trilogy about the Moonshaes...but that isn't likely to happen. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 01:01:55
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-Lord of the Rings, obviously, because those were damn good movies in basically every aspect possible- costumes, special effects, dialogue, music...
Agreed. Though the first few minutes of the first film felt rather...dragging.
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
IF a Forgotten Realms movie is made though, I would mostly expect it to be about Drizzt as that character has sold FAR more novels than any other character...from a marketing aspect alone it is the best option.
Yes. But...<sigh> |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 02:24:53
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quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
IF a Forgotten Realms movie is made though, I would mostly expect it to be about Drizzt as that character has sold FAR more novels than any other character...from a marketing aspect alone it is the best option.
-Unfortunately. In terms of movies, I'd prefer something animated, and something original. |
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skychrome
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 03:22:37
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus In terms of movies, I'd prefer something animated, and something original.
Second that! |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 04:20:14
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
IF a Forgotten Realms movie is made though, I would mostly expect it to be about Drizzt as that character has sold FAR more novels than any other character...from a marketing aspect alone it is the best option.
-Unfortunately. In terms of movies, I'd prefer something animated, and something original.
Animated is fine, as long as the quality is way better than the last Dragonlance film they made. They should partner with Pixar. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 04:59:11
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
IF a Forgotten Realms movie is made though, I would mostly expect it to be about Drizzt as that character has sold FAR more novels than any other character...from a marketing aspect alone it is the best option.
-Unfortunately. In terms of movies, I'd prefer something animated, and something original.
I've no preference on the animated/live action movie angle, but I heartily agree that a Realms movie should be a new story with new characters. That formula has worked well for a lot of authors up until now. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 05:01:06
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We could hope for that...but unfortunately, gaming movies don't do well compared to Novel Movies.
Drizzt sells novels...more novels than D&D sells books I believe... |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 05:04:53
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
IF a Forgotten Realms movie is made though, I would mostly expect it to be about Drizzt as that character has sold FAR more novels than any other character...from a marketing aspect alone it is the best option.
-Unfortunately. In terms of movies, I'd prefer something animated, and something original.
I've no preference on the animated/live action movie angle, but I heartily agree that a Realms movie should be a new story with new characters. That formula has worked well for a lot of authors up until now.
They could do original...later. But first, they need to "introduce" the Realms to all via a character that many are familiar with. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 05:24:02
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My wife and I both think that it HAS to be a combination of 3 separate movies. I voted LotR, but that's because it makes up most of what would be great as a Fantasy movie. The acting, costumes, plot, script, scenery, location, and some special effects would be geat from LotR. The Sorcerer's Apprentice was actually a film that I enjoyed, mostly for the visual effects of magic. I liked it and think that would be best portrayed in a D&D film. The Avengers is the final aspect, and it's due to the humor found within. I don't think I ever laughed that much during a Comic book movie since Thor. And really, the seriousness of the movie was broken up by great acting and extreamly funny parts. And even though D&D can be serious and deadly, there needs to be some laughter involved too. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 05:29:45
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I'd want them to take the source material seriously, and go all out with the wardrobe, props, and S F/X, without wisecracking about themselves. TLOTR is the model.
(Although, on the DVD commentary, PJ and his writers dissed D&D several times. Methinks he needs a re-education . . .)
As a RASophile, I certainly won't be boo-hooing if they start out with a Drizzt trilogy, or even better, a Drizzt hexilogy (Dark Elf & Icewind Dale).
The only thing that would make me boo-hoo is if they didn't let me play Bruenor. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 05:35:21
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I voted LotR for the same reasons. Sorcerer's Apprentice comes close, specially the kind of magic they have, and how wonderfully it's rendered. Except that it's marketed primarily to teens. Prince of Persia has excellent setting, story, and actors (well, mostly). And it's a combination of adventure and epic story. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 10:57:57
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quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
We could hope for that...but unfortunately, gaming movies don't do well compared to Novel Movies.
Drizzt sells novels...more novels than D&D sells books I believe...
How does telling a new story make it a gaming movie? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 10:59:08
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quote: Originally posted by Dennis
quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
IF a Forgotten Realms movie is made though, I would mostly expect it to be about Drizzt as that character has sold FAR more novels than any other character...from a marketing aspect alone it is the best option.
-Unfortunately. In terms of movies, I'd prefer something animated, and something original.
I've no preference on the animated/live action movie angle, but I heartily agree that a Realms movie should be a new story with new characters. That formula has worked well for a lot of authors up until now.
They could do original...later. But first, they need to "introduce" the Realms to all via a character that many are familiar with.
If it's an introduction, then by definition there won't be a character people are familiar with. So an introduction can be a new story with new characters. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 12:11:50
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
We could hope for that...but unfortunately, gaming movies don't do well compared to Novel Movies.
Drizzt sells novels...more novels than D&D sells books I believe...
How does telling a new story make it a gaming movie?
Invariably, it would get labeled as a "Gaming Movie" if it had anything to do with Dungeons and Dragons...new characters (which I would LOVE) would be harder to market.
On the other hand, RAS novel line on Drizzt is viewed by many who read the novels as almost strictly a novel line...that just happens to also be used in a game.
It is one thing to have a fantasy world to make a movie about...but ALMOST ALWAYS, novels sell movies better than movies sell novels. |
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BARDOBARBAROS
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 14:07:07
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 16:04:05
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quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
We could hope for that...but unfortunately, gaming movies don't do well compared to Novel Movies.
Drizzt sells novels...more novels than D&D sells books I believe...
How does telling a new story make it a gaming movie?
Invariably, it would get labeled as a "Gaming Movie" if it had anything to do with Dungeons and Dragons...new characters (which I would LOVE) would be harder to market.
On the other hand, RAS novel line on Drizzt is viewed by many who read the novels as almost strictly a novel line...that just happens to also be used in a game.
It is one thing to have a fantasy world to make a movie about...but ALMOST ALWAYS, novels sell movies better than movies sell novels.
Why would new characters be any harder to market to an audience that isn't familiar with the setting at all? The majority of the movie-going public has never heard of the Forgotten Realms or any of its characters. They wouldn't know Erevis Cale from Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Zifnab or Milamber.
Without knowing it's a game setting, and without knowing any of its characters, it's not going to be perceived as a game movie, and new characters in a new story will work. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 16:15:30
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Invariably, it would get labeled as a "Gaming Movie" if it had anything to do with Dungeons and Dragons...new characters (which I would LOVE) would be harder to market.
On the other hand, RAS novel line on Drizzt is viewed by many who read the novels as almost strictly a novel line...that just happens to also be used in a game.
It is one thing to have a fantasy world to make a movie about...but ALMOST ALWAYS, novels sell movies better than movies sell novels.
Why would new characters be any harder to market to an audience that isn't familiar with the setting at all? The majority of the movie-going public has never heard of the Forgotten Realms or any of its characters. They wouldn't know Erevis Cale from Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Zifnab or Milamber.
Without knowing it's a game setting, and without knowing any of its characters, it's not going to be perceived as a game movie, and new characters in a new story will work.
I can see your point, and I agree...AS LONG AS THE WORDS DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS ARE NOT USED! LOL That kills a movie, every time.
On top of that, if they simply made a cool fantasy movie without even mentioning "The Forgotten Realms" at all...I think they would do ok.
I mean this in a flattering way too. Hardly anyone IN the Forgotten Realms would call their world "Forgotten"! So, if they set the movie somewhere in the Realms and went from there...simply mentioning locations in a natural fashion...that would be best.
While I'm not a fan of the Time of Troubles...the Shadowdale, Tantras and Waterdeep novels (if tweaked a bit) would make a solid trilogy that people in mainstream would go for. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 17:23:24
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None of the above.
You want to get new fans to like the setting, you got to give them what most people want - ACTION.
My vote goes for Indiana Jones, or even The Mummy or Lara Croft.
Picture Drizzt & co. in the lead roles. Once you develop an audience, the movies can start getting all dramatic and move away from the 'adventurer' genre.
Don't over-do it though, like the Michael Bay movies; at least have a decent plot and script (and save the 'KEWL' explosions for the ending). |
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 19:04:43
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I enjoyed the LOTR movies, but most fantasy related movies today don't get that kind of budget. However, I had to vote "Other" because I REALLY like how Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire is being done over at HBO, and think this sort of approach would work better for Realms novels making the jump to screen. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 20:10:19
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quote: Originally posted by Dennis
Animated is fine, as long as the quality is way better than the last Dragonlance film they made. They should partner with Pixar.
-I'm not too big of a fan of CGI. I mean animated as in pencil and ink. |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 20:39:59
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Start with a LOTR style Icewind Dale as a one off. I've already directed the opening scene of Crenshinibon's creation, the fight between Errtu and the Deva, and it's landing in Faerun pre-credits rolling in my head (with narration by someone with a cool voice, James Earl Jones maybe)
Just make it already. If it was a success, go for a franchise of FR movies before moving on to Halfling's Gem or Streams of Silver; I'd go with a Knights of Myth Drannor or Seven Sisters movie then back to Drizzt prequel ala Batman movies with Homeland. Just my 2cents. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 01:48:24
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quote: Originally posted by Dennis
quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
IF a Forgotten Realms movie is made though, I would mostly expect it to be about Drizzt as that character has sold FAR more novels than any other character...from a marketing aspect alone it is the best option.
-Unfortunately. In terms of movies, I'd prefer something animated, and something original.
Animated is fine, as long as the quality is way better than the last Dragonlance film they made. They should partner with Pixar.
The recent DRAGONLANCE animated film was fine.
I really do think a lot of people had too many unrealistic expectations for this first [and so far, only venture] into the world of animated cinema.
It was a good first attempt, and the production staff involved proclaimed their acceptance of the fact that a lot still needed to be done to increase the worthiness of the development. But, at the same time, it was their first attempt at adapting the grand tales of DL into film. I can't imagine that would be an easy task on any level. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 02:07:36
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Dennis
quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
IF a Forgotten Realms movie is made though, I would mostly expect it to be about Drizzt as that character has sold FAR more novels than any other character...from a marketing aspect alone it is the best option.
-Unfortunately. In terms of movies, I'd prefer something animated, and something original.
I've no preference on the animated/live action movie angle, but I heartily agree that a Realms movie should be a new story with new characters. That formula has worked well for a lot of authors up until now.
They could do original...later. But first, they need to "introduce" the Realms to all via a character that many are familiar with.
If it's an introduction, then by definition there won't be a character people are familiar with. So an introduction can be a new story with new characters.
Introduce the setting, not the characters. How many realms has Drizzt visited or journeyed to? Once people get familiar with the whole setting, introducing them to other (non-Drizzt & Co.) characters and stories would be easy...
quote: Originally posted by Markustay
You want to get new fans to like the setting, you got to give them what most people want - ACTION.
And LotR and the rest on the list don't have that?
quote: Originally posted by The Sage
quote: Originally posted by Dennis
quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
IF a Forgotten Realms movie is made though, I would mostly expect it to be about Drizzt as that character has sold FAR more novels than any other character...from a marketing aspect alone it is the best option.
-Unfortunately. In terms of movies, I'd prefer something animated, and something original.
Animated is fine, as long as the quality is way better than the last Dragonlance film they made. They should partner with Pixar.
The recent DRAGONLANCE animated film was fine.
Not for me. The quality is too 90's. The voice actors and music are quite a letdown, too.
quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote: Originally posted by Dennis
Animated is fine, as long as the quality is way better than the last Dragonlance film they made. They should partner with Pixar.
-I'm not too big of a fan of CGI. I mean animated as in pencil and ink.
Which is fine, too. Except that pencil and ink type HARDLY makes it to the big screen. Like the recent Marvel and DC animated films, they're usually good for Direct-to-DVD only.
It's CGI era now. Avatar, the (undisputed) No. 1 Top-Grossing Film to date worldwide, pretty much emphasized that. |
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Entromancer
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 02:55:46
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I've been kicking around how Drizzt could be done for quite sometime. The things is, the series has no real ending to it. There's also a lot of material out there. Most franchises peak at their third film, Potter being the exception. Even then, that had an ending. So, here we go.
The Crystal Shard:
Open the movie in Calimport, where we see Regis stealing the gem. We could get some hints at Entreri's pursuit as well. Then cut to Drizzt meeting Regis for the first time. Next we'd go to Luskan to meet Akar Kessel and see a bit of his relationship with Mordecai, and perhaps establish an inferiority complex. I'd make have him attempting to call forth Errtu, so that once he returns to Faerun, his alliance with Akar doesn't seem so coincidental.
During Drizzt's training of Wulfgar, we'd get some flashbacks to Menzoberranzan and his training with Zak. I would also include a bit about Cattie-brie's past, exploring her feelings about the goblin raid that took her parents from her, and her fear and hatred of the goblins.
Streams of Silver
Opens in Icewind Dale on Artemis Entreri. Taking a bit of Road of the Patriarch, we'd get a hint of his past with the clergy of Selune. That would feed his disgust at seemingly perfect "do-gooders" like Drizzt and company. This would be interspersed throughout the movie.
I would hint at the Duergar being an advanced force sent by Matron Baenre.
Before a certain scene, we'd see Bruenor say something like, "gimme that scimitar, elf!" After Shimmergloom went down and the duergar started flooding in, we'd see panic take hold of the companions and send them fleeing for their lives.
The Halfling's Gem
In Calimport, I'd have some open warfare between the thieves' guilds. This would lead to flashbacks of the "lesson" Drizzt witnessed in Homeland, where those demons were summoned against a drow house that "got caught." I'd have Drizzt envision Pook's Guild as a Matron House that he could get revenge on. Entreri would realize this during their confrontation and call him on his hypocrisy.
These are the changes I'd make to add a bit of meat to the Icewind Dale trilogy. Now, outside of Drizzt, I think Elminster: The Making of a Mage would give audiences a good tour of the Realms, and its a good sword-n-sorcery tale in its own right. There's so much in the Realms that could really hook the "general audience." |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 03:40:08
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quote: Originally posted by Dennis
quote: Originally posted by The Sage
quote: Originally posted by Dennis
quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
IF a Forgotten Realms movie is made though, I would mostly expect it to be about Drizzt as that character has sold FAR more novels than any other character...from a marketing aspect alone it is the best option.
-Unfortunately. In terms of movies, I'd prefer something animated, and something original.
Animated is fine, as long as the quality is way better than the last Dragonlance film they made. They should partner with Pixar.
The recent DRAGONLANCE animated film was fine.
Not for me. The quality is too 90's. The voice actors and music are quite a letdown, too.
Then I'm sorry to say, but you're missing the point of the entire project and development of the DL animated film saga.
It was never meant to be an "modern-developmental" take on the founding story of the saga. It was designed to be a "good first step" into the future [hopeful] production of additional film-adaptations of the original three books in the Chronicles trilogy.
Looking at the Dragons of Autumn Twilight animated film... and expecting something like the high quality of the lot of DC animated films that have been released over the last 5+ years, for example, isn't all that realistic. The WB/DC Animated Studios has an extraordinary budget, and a great development/production staff to draw from. The folk that produced the DL film, didn't. It's the best they could offer with the resources they had at hand. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 04:52:25
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Which is, for me, if you don't have the budget, then don't venture into it. Better have nothing than a half-baked product. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 05:50:09
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quote: Originally posted by Dennis
quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
If it's an introduction, then by definition there won't be a character people are familiar with. So an introduction can be a new story with new characters.
Introduce the setting, not the characters. How many realms has Drizzt visited or journeyed to? Once people get familiar with the whole setting, introducing them to other (non-Drizzt & Co.) characters and stories would be easy...
I'm not sure you and I are thinking of the same thing with the word "introduction."
If someone knows the characters, they already know the setting.
The vast majority of the movie-going public is not going to know either.
If you're introducing someone to something, they don't know it -- any of it. So they wouldn't know Erevis Cale from Bahb the Fighter. And since they don't know one from the other, why not go for the new story and the new characters? It's a formula that has worked for dozens, if not hundreds, of Realms authors, including RAS and Paul S. Kemp.
All you're going to gain from focusing on existing characters is making maybe 10% of the audience happy. Why focus on 10% when you can go for the full 100%? |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 06:31:07
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The only gripe I had about the Dragonlance movie was the dragons...I wish they had made them the same caliber/cartoon of the rest of the movie. The two styles set against each other didn't do well for me. It wasn't bad actually...it just wasn't as smooth. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 07:05:25
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quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden
The only gripe I had about the Dragonlance movie was the dragons...I wish they had made them the same caliber/cartoon of the rest of the movie. The two styles set against each other didn't do well for me. It wasn't bad actually...it just wasn't as smooth.
There was same debate over the portrayal of the dragons in the film. Specifically, whether they should be fully CGI-rendered, or drawn in the classic animation styles like some other parts of the film.
I don't recall hearing how that debate ended, or whether the issue was resolved before production began. |
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