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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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 Posted - 23 May 2012 : 18:51:23
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True enough - Sigil may be called 'The Cage' because it is her prison.
On the other hand, what if Sigil = 'pain' - then her title would simply mean Lady of Sigil. In that case, we would have to wonder about the nature of Sigil instead (and I'd fall back on my, Rip's, or Gray's theories in that case). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 24 May 2012 : 01:38:53
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Whether the Lady is IN pain, from Ao's perspective, is neither relevant nor even established as more than wordplay and conjecture.
I have a long-established speculative theory about this. And it involves the head blades that Her Serenity has in her head-dress. It's just one of the physical symbols of the Lady's Pain.
But I need to dust off my notes, first. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 May 2012 : 03:19:21
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What if Sigil was, at some point in the very, very distant past, a prison for some particularly nasty entities? That could explain it being called the Cage, and being physically inaccessible. The Lady of Pain could have been the head (or only) jailer; her mazes could be a power she used to that end.
And all the portals could have originally been just one-way -- it was like an interdimensional Alcatraz, perhaps.
Obviously, at some point, the incarcerated inhabitants were no longer around, so the Lady no longer needed to be a jailer. She then started letting people come and go as they wished, and Sigil became the city we know today. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 May 2012 : 04:25:10
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| It would be really cool if Sigil WERE Tharizdun...imprisoned...and the Lady of Pain was in Pain to keep him in check. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 24 May 2012 : 04:39:44
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What if Sigil was, at some point in the very, very distant past, a prison for some particularly nasty entities? That could explain it being called the Cage, and being physically inaccessible. The Lady of Pain could have been the head (or only) jailer; her mazes could be a power she used to that end.
One of my many pre-existing theories on the origin of "the Cage," ties to the whole conception I have for the Lady's Pain.
Whether it's because she was involved in the death of Aoskar, or due to some crime so heinous that it has been wiped entirely from the history of the multiverse... the Cage exists as a "locked chain" around her neck that she herself has placed there.
But the twist is, it's a chain for which she already has the key. And that's the secret of the Lady's Pain. She can end her own imprisonment and her unending Pain, if only she can accept the consequences of her crime and what it has done to the rest of All Reality. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 May 2012 : 10:22:24
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Lady of Pain ehh... Well I'll give her half a yeah!
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 26 May 2012 : 20:20:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What if Sigil was, at some point in the very, very distant past, a prison for some particularly nasty entities? That could explain it being called the Cage, and being physically inaccessible. The Lady of Pain could have been the head (or only) jailer; her mazes could be a power she used to that end.
And all the portals could have originally been just one-way -- it was like an interdimensional Alcatraz, perhaps.
Obviously, at some point, the incarcerated inhabitants were no longer around, so the Lady no longer needed to be a jailer. She then started letting people come and go as they wished, and Sigil became the city we know today.
Intriguing...
Now I'm thinking that Sigil was perhaps the proto-hell mentioned in Tyrants of the Nine Hells - the devils (fallen angels then) lived in the 'godsland' with them, but were forced out to build their hells elsewhere, to punish the wicked.
But what about where they used to live, in the upper planes? Could Sigil be the 'old neighborhood' for those fallen angels? The 'prison' the gods could not bear looking at? |
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The Lady of Pain's Identity
