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Lord Karsus
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 Posted - 03 Mar 2012 : 01:41:27
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-She didn't get much characterization because she was only around for two novels, and wasn't a main character in them- I mean, she was, but only in principle, with the books mostly being about her servants, and their conflicts with Lolth/Kiaransalee's servants. If she wasn't killed, and was still around in the 4e books, I'm sure more would have been written about her. The amount of fanboyism that is found regarding the Drow, and regarding Eilistraee would almost guarantee that they'd sell.
-I don't know for sure since I'm not WotC or Lisa Smedman, but I would agree that the character was probably 'created' as a handy way to get rid of both Eilistraee and Vhaeraun with one fell swoop. The entire metagame point of the trilogy was to get rid of the Dark Seldarine, and leave only Lolth- no other plots in the books were really picked up in any 4e D&D books or articles in any real meaningful way. That does indeed suck, and is pretty pointless. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 03 Mar 2012 : 01:46:08
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-I don't know for sure since I'm not WotC or Lisa Smedman, but I would agree that the character was probably 'created' as a handy way to get rid of both Eilistraee and Vhaeraun with one fell swoop. The entire metagame point of the trilogy was to get rid of the Dark Seldarine, and leave only Lolth- no other plots in the books were really picked up in any 4e D&D books or articles in any real meaningful way. That does indeed suck, and is pretty pointless.
Agreed, though we may hopefully see more about the two deities soon enough, for the last of them may have not been said yet.
EDIT (possible spoiler about the novels)
Regarding the ''redeemed'' drow (who make the main subplot to be continued), the destructive and barbaric way they dealt with them leaves few room for developing further their concept.
The ones who were redeemed while in the Underdark are probably dead cause of the lack of their skills that allowed them to survive in that environment (or killed by drows if they were changed while being in a drow city). The ones who were on the surface were already a minority. Add to it the deaths caused by the Spellplague cataclysm, drow killing them on sight (especially the ones that could've tried to remain true to their goddess and keep spreading her message) and what remains is just a handful of Eilistraee followers, scattered and without guidance  . However I believe (and hope to be glad of it) that something is being done about them. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 03 Mar 2012 02:46:34 |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 03 Mar 2012 : 02:58:51
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| There can always be hope, however the Masked Lady lasted what maybe two months to a year at most. There might be some kind of revival of both brother and sister, however there are not clear signs of how they will appear, if at all. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Irennan
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Posted - 03 Mar 2012 : 03:03:22
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Originally posted by Kentinal
There can always be hope, however the Masked Lady lasted what maybe two months to a year at most. There might be some kind of revival of both brother and sister, however there are not clear signs of how they will appear, if at all.
Well, it looks like the Menzoberranzan sourcebook will revive at least Eilistraee, and probably Vhaeraun as well.
http://www.eilistraee.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2096
I'm glad of that, though I won't scream victory till I see it. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 03 Mar 2012 03:07:44 |
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Lord Karsus
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Irennan
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Posted - 03 Mar 2012 : 08:18:45
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I have the impression that the book will not only detail Menzoberranzan, but will have infos about the drow in general (so, possibly, also their other cities) or so I have interpreted what I've read. Then, it should be a good book for the ones who enjoy the topic.
Anyway, some designers seem to be very happy with it, so I guess that the book may actually be good. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Mar 2012 : 18:11:46
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-Awesome. A book about one of the most overdone cities in the setting, possibly/probably containing information about one of the most detailed races in the setting. 
-That's probably looking at it myopically, though. The city of Menzoberranzan probably does need some updating, since the changes mentioned since 4e was rolled out- Quenthel's ascension, Lolth being the sole Drow deity, the Spellplague possibly having changed things in the Underdark- probably would have fairly big consequences on the city itself. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn
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Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 03 Mar 2012 : 18:56:44
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| Yes, many things have changed and infos need to be updated. |
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farinal
Learned Scribe
Turkey
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Posted - 03 Mar 2012 : 22:58:13
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| Is the new Menzo book going to be edition free like the Ed Greenwood's FR book? Or a 4E sourcebook? |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 04 Mar 2012 : 00:20:10
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| Edition neutral. |
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a question about The Lady Penitent
