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Jakuta Khan
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 05 Feb 2012 : 14:40:25
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Hi everybody,
do you guys think the above mentioned wold work - not logically, since it would take a while, but just principally.
thx for your replies
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Feb 2012 : 15:10:19
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Mending, tends to appear to be intended for small items.
That said ruins started out as small items, so IMO yes given enough time and also some non magic work indeed a ruins could be repaired with the spell.
<quote>Mending repairs small breaks or tears in objects</quote>
Thus a broken brick could be repaired, putting brick were it belongs would need to be done by hand or greater magic. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 : 05:03:31
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| I'd assume it can, given many, many castings of the spell. Prolly be easier to use a bunch of walls of stone, though. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 : 08:16:31
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Mending brick by brick?
To use Mending one got to have both parts put together as opposed to pulverized around, right?
By the old Spelljamer rules 2 Mends = 1 structural point (=10 HP), with total repairs no more than 1/5 of damage worth. Crude, but would do as a guideline if you don't want to get into details. |
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Jakuta Khan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 : 09:37:27
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the question in general is, even if the majrity of the material is not in the area anymore, can it be used to rebuild it bit by biut?
PH says that it can repair minor bla bla, and doe snot state if materials need to be there - winesack hole canbe repaired, but does not say that missing material needs to be there or canbe ripped out and carried off etc.
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Jakuta Khan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 : 09:38:37
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I would imagine it to be done like a printer prints a sheet of paper, row by row....
i also know that a bard and a lyre of building would do the job much better...
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Rhewtani
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 : 19:39:42
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| Yeah, it doesn't say that it replaces missing parts. If it did, it would have to be a conjuration spell, right? So, if you have a two pieces of the same broken brick, you can mend them together. You now have a brick. If you know which brick it's supposed to be next to, you can mend the joint between the mortar and the brick. At some point, though, you're mending support struts on the ground that are too heavy for you to pick up and put in place. Though, I imagine this is exactly how Realmsian archealogists reconstruct ruins. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 : 19:49:41
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I did think some more on this topic.
Ruins where never defined to start with.
I did post mending small items seem to be possible, but that low magic would not do it all.
Missing parts of a brick can be manifested, if most of the brick is there.
For harder items, metal for example, broken into 5 pieces require four mending spells.
Depending on the Ruin mending clearly would not work for all items.
As DM I would rule that mending could not repair anything heavier then the caster can lift. No mending of that 30 foot long beam for example. Higher magic is required.
Edit: Changed life to lift, it reads better that war *S* |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
Edited by - Kentinal on 07 Feb 2012 02:18:34 |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Feb 2012 : 01:26:05
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Hmm... maybe there should be a greater mending spell... and perhaps even superior mending...  |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 07 Feb 2012 : 01:31:20
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Originally posted by Jakk
Hmm... maybe there should be a greater mending spell... and perhaps even superior mending...
That would be pretty reasonable IMO. It would also make sure that if a single wizard can repair a ruin by himself (even though it'd take a while), at least he would be of high level.
Maybe it could be necessary to know the original shape of the item to repair to properly repair it. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Feb 2012 : 02:46:28
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Originally posted by Rhewtani
Yeah, it doesn't say that it replaces missing parts. If it did, it would have to be a conjuration spell, right?
Also, in 3e 2-level Make Whole doesn't do it while Mending was demoted to cantrip.
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Originally posted by Rhewtani
Though, I imagine this is exactly how Realmsian archealogists reconstruct ruins.
To see the pieces together, there were Patternweave (*Wild*, Tome of Magic.AD&D2) and Envision Whole (Dragon#223).
Of FR spells, 6-level Reconstruction (FRCS.AD&D1, Pages from the Mages, Forgotten Realms Adventures) is the closest to this purpose. Of course, the object only appears to be repaired for the duration.
To get permanent results, it would need an extra Conjuration component to return or recreate missing pieces. Then presumably have same Mending / Make Whole / Repair X Damage (under active Reconstruction it's not that far from a magical construct) cast on top of it until the spell fails, indicating the object is whole. |
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Jakuta Khan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Feb 2012 : 12:47:03
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@kilvan:
I like the idea that the actual casting mage must have at least a plan, either in his head or sketched of how the site looked when it was whole.
this brings me also to the point hwereas I see wizards binding earth elementals to build a castle / tower for them.
I always handle it in the way that earth elementals can shape rock or earth like we can shape sand or clay, and then harden it. |
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