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jordanz
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 Posted - 21 Dec 2011 : 01:07:04
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Who is the preeminent God of Strength in the realms?
It seems like the domain of stregth is always bundles with other domains...
Who are some of the physically strongest mortal beings in the realms?
After reading Gauntlgrym with the whole Arthogate confrontation at the end I have an idea of who I'd nominate...
Pound for pound are Dwarves the strongest humanoids in the realms?
What magic items grants the most physical strength?
I'm thinking it's the belt of Storm Giant strength but is there anything (artifact?) that gives it's bearer Titan level or greater strength?
Why aren't there more spells from the Strength Domain?
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Edited by - jordanz on 21 Dec 2011 01:09:04
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Ayrik
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Posted - 21 Dec 2011 : 02:25:42
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I would guess the deity of strength is Grumbar or Uthgar. Or possibly Lathander, Tempus/Garagos, Valkur, even Oghma.
Outside of the Faerūnian pantheon are Auppenser, Tchazzar, Gruumsh and Bahgtru, Gilgeam (deceased?), all the Ordning (Jotun/Giant pantheon), various other nonhuman deities, and any number of paragons or arch-fiends. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Dec 2011 : 10:05:03
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Destruction is associated with strength. To destroy something massive or someone very powerful, one has to be considerably strong. Given that destruction is part of his portfolio, I would say Talos... |
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Jakuta Khan
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Posted - 22 Dec 2011 : 19:09:01
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Dec 2011 : 19:25:53
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Originally posted by Dennis
Destruction is associated with strength. To destroy something massive or someone very powerful, one has to be considerably strong. Given that destruction is part of his portfolio, I would say Talos...
I wouldn't necessarily make that association. Strength can also be used in building and protection. An emphasis on self-perfection could also include strength, as could anything that focusing on being physically healthy. Yes, one could be healthy without being strong or fit, but one can also destroy something by applications of intelligence or guile (such as knowing which pillars to remove or damage to bring down a building). |
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Matt James
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Posted - 22 Dec 2011 : 19:27:59
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Originally posted by Jakuta Khan
What about Kord?
Kord is a Greyhawk deity, but Tempus would be a close equivalent in the Realms. |
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jordanz
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Posted - 23 Dec 2011 : 01:42:56
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Originally posted by Matt James
[quote]Originally posted by Jakuta Khan
What about Kord?
Kord is a Greyhawk deity, but Tempus would be a close equivalent in the Realms.
Kord..... yeah, I would love to see the equivalent of Kord in the forgotten realms.
Kord's followers are urged to scorn cowardice, and taught that the strong and fit should rule the weak. To Kord's faithful, a leader's best quality is bravery. Kord loves physical contests, and this inspires many barbarian tribes to use nonlethal sports as a method for resolving disputes. Because battle claims the weak and cowardly alike, there is nothing to lose by seeking battle; indeed, battle determines who is most worthy of life, and ensures a place at Kord's side after death. Those who flee from battle are often publicly excommunicated.
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Dec 2011 : 08:37:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Destruction is associated with strength. To destroy something massive or someone very powerful, one has to be considerably strong. Given that destruction is part of his portfolio, I would say Talos...
I wouldn't necessarily make that association. Strength can also be used in building and protection. An emphasis on self-perfection could also include strength, as could anything that focusing on being physically healthy. Yes, one could be healthy without being strong or fit, but one can also destroy something by applications of intelligence or guile (such as knowing which pillars to remove or damage to bring down a building).
Fair enough.
Your point made me reevaluate my post above. Perhaps the "preeminent God of Strength" (as what the OP calls it) is not Talos or anyone else, but Mystra herself. (Magic very pervasive.) Ao even has to reboot her once in a while to regulate her powers. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 23 Dec 2011 : 09:24:46
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| Oghma, The Binder. Known firstly for his awesome and unchallenged strength as a peerless wrestler, only secondly for teaching that alphabet thing and music and folklore and stuff. Bit of an oddity, but there it is. |
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Marc
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Posted - 24 Dec 2011 : 09:16:44
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jordanz
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Posted - 25 Dec 2011 : 23:46:34
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Originally posted by Marc
Lathander in Chessenta
I meant strength as in physical strength. Not magical strength, strength of hope of faith, not spiritual....
Brute strength.
Hercules, Grummush, Vaprak,Kord .. those are the type of GODS I'm talking about. No humans gods in the realms that represent pure physical strength... |
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 00:15:31
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Originally posted by jordanz
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Originally posted by Marc
Lathander in Chessenta
I meant strength as in physical strength. Not magical strength, strength of hope of faith, not spiritual....
Brute strength.
Hercules, Grummush, Vaprak,Kord .. those are the type of GODS I'm talking about. No humans gods in the realms that represent pure physical strength...
Then that would be Tempus, Talos, or Tyr. You need brute strength to fight in wars, to wreck havoc, and to punish wrongdoers. |
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jordanz
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 00:24:04
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| When I think Tempus, I think "War". When I think Talos, I think "Destruction", when I think TyR I THINK "jUSTICE". When I think "Hercules" I think "STRENGTH". |
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 00:54:13
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While strength is not specifically mentioned as one of their portfolios, it's deeply integrated nonetheless. Tempus grants his faithful strength to win a war. Talos boosts his worshipers' strength to destroy as many and as big a thing. The stronger one is, the more destruction he'll be able to make. Tyr punishes powerful wrongdoers. One cannot overpower the powerful if he's not strong enough.
But if you really want to go by portfolio, then Uthgar would be a candidate. However, you mentioned "preeminent." And a lesser deity is hardly preeminent. One of the three I noted above can easily obliterate him, strength or no strength. |
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jordanz
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 03:38:54
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
While strength is not specifically mentioned as one of their portfolios, it's deeply integrated nonetheless. Tempus grants his faithful strength to win a war. Talos boosts his worshipers' strength to destroy as many and as big a thing. The stronger one is, the more destruction he'll be able to make. Tyr punishes powerful wrongdoers. One cannot overpower the powerful if he's not strong enough.
But if you really want to go by portfolio, then Uthgar would be a candidate. However, you mentioned "preeminent." And a lesser deity is hardly preeminent. One of the three I noted above can easily obliterate him, strength or no strength.
Preeminent meaning what pops in your head when that God's name is mentioned. By that definition,Hercules a mere demigod is still the preeminent god of Strength in the Greek Pantheon. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 03:57:30
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I see. I guess the more appropriate word is eminent or prominent (meaning conspicuous; projecting). Preeminent (as per M-W) means having paramount rank, dignity, or importance.
Anyway, the prominent god of strength for me is Talos. As I noted, destruction is almost always associated with (brute) strength. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 04:38:30
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| you guys forget Gruumsh?? |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 04:54:56
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Originally posted by sfdragon
you guys forget Gruumsh??
He's just Talos in Orc form. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 05:11:28
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or is TAlos gruumsh in ORC form...
or are they separate.... |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 05:23:17
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Originally posted by sfdragon
or is TAlos gruumsh in ORC form...
or are they separate....
Given that some gods are actually aspects, I wouldn't be surprised if they're one and the same. Either Gruumsh is Talos's aspect, or Talos is Gruumsh's. |
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jordanz
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 13:47:49
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by sfdragon
or is TAlos gruumsh in ORC form...
or are they separate....
Given that some gods are actually aspects, I wouldn't be surprised if they're one and the same. Either Gruumsh is Talos's aspect, or Talos is Gruumsh's.
I dont seee it, Talos likes to use destructive magic, tossing lightning, disintegration, storms and the like, Gruumsh just likes to crush things like the Hulk. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 13:51:25
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| I think it would work for Tempus, Torm (had the Strength domain in 3E) or Gruumsh. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 14:15:13
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Originally posted by jordanz
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by sfdragon
or is TAlos gruumsh in ORC form...
or are they separate....
Given that some gods are actually aspects, I wouldn't be surprised if they're one and the same. Either Gruumsh is Talos's aspect, or Talos is Gruumsh's.
I dont seee it, Talos likes to use destructive magic, tossing lightning, disintegration, storms and the like, Gruumsh just likes to crush things like the Hulk.
A god and his aspects may have differences---preferences in carrying out their duties mostly, or affiliations with other deities. But by and large they have a common denominator: their portfolio.
Take for instance Chauntea and her aspect, Yondalla. The latter has close bonds with Garl Glittergold, Corellon Larethian and Moradin, while the former never had with any of them, only with Selūne and Mystra.
The different preferences of Talos and Gruumsh in showing brute strength could be interpreted as various ways of expressing their nature. Besides, they both revel in destruction. |
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TBeholder
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Posted - 26 Dec 2011 : 18:13:06
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Explicitly?
Uthgar - hero-demigod sponsored by Tempus. Tempus himself.
Gilgeam, the God-king of Unther (killed by Tiamat)
Hajama the Courageous, from Zakhara, also rather close.
If you want a canonical tie to Faerun...
Holly Harrowslough, a paladin of Lathander (appears in Lost Gods), worked for Randal Morn. Her father was from Zakhara, a faris (holy warrior) of Hajama.
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Anyway, the prominent god of strength for me is Talos. As I noted, destruction is almost always associated with (brute) strength.
Talos throws lightnings and suchlike. For "brute strength" brand of destruction there's Garagos. |
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