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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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 Posted - 04 Nov 2011 : 16:01:22
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I literally just opened the Pathfinder Inner Sea Campaign setting to pack it in my luggage (going on vacation), and I just thought it was really interesting to me that ROUGHLY its got a layout similar to Faerun. Granted, they have a whole other continent underneath where Halruaa would be (in this instance, their inner sea to my eye looks kind of like the coast of Halruaa, Dambrath, etc...). Where Toril has an inner sea, they have Lake Encarthan, which is less spread out. Where they have the lake of mist and veils is roughly equivalent to where Lake Ashane is. Anyway, they're probably nowhere near to same scale or anything, and probably if I did an overlay I'd see all kinds of differences. But, my first thoughts were.... hmmmm, Abeir....
Anyway, I better get back to packing. It just caught my fancy and I thought what the heck, see if anyone else had that initial reaction.
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Nov 2011 : 16:26:06
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 04 Nov 2011 : 17:02:20
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Golarion
I used to have a bigger map; it may have come with my PfCG-pdf.
BTW, MOST fantasy settings have a central sea - GH had one, along with several lesser inland seas (very large lakes). I can think of dozens more - its just good world building for an RPG (more opportunities for different types of adventures).
In fact, Michael Moorcock's Young Kingdoms is the opposite of most settings - its mostly sea, with a small portion of several continents showing along the outer edges. I happen to like that layout. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Nov 2011 : 17:18:11
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Originally posted by Markustay
Golarion
I used to have a bigger map; it may have come with my PfCG-pdf.
BTW, MOST fantasy settings have a central sea - GH had one, along with several lesser inland seas (very large lakes). I can think of dozens more - its just good world building for an RPG (more opportunities for different types of adventures).
In fact, Michael Moorcock's Young Kingdoms is the opposite of most settings - its mostly sea, with a small portion of several continents showing along the outer edges. I happen to like that layout.
Great link M. I guess it kind of resembles Toril, but there are plenty of differences to make it quasi-original too  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 04 Nov 2011 : 17:27:02
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Many of the people who worked on - and liked - Faerūn helped develop Golarion. If you have an example of a near-perfect fantasy RPG setting, why wouldn't you use that as a starting point? Take the things people like and toss out the rest, and improve on where it needs improvement.
BTW, the shape of the Sea of Fallen Stars is very different; it doesn't look like a blob. It looks like something else.
EDIT: The better version of the map is no longer posted at the Paizo site (AFAIK), but it is included in the free map pack you can download from them - here is the link, it is down a few products on the list (the FREE one). I believe you have to be a member (which I guess was smart - now you have to sign in to get the goodies).
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Nov 2011 : 20:33:40
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| That map is the reason I didn't switch to Golarion completely, the countries are too jumbled and unconnected for my taste |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 04 Nov 2011 : 21:14:44
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Yep - the hap-hazard locations remind me of Greyhawk. Even the published Realms (NOT Ed's original) had more of a logical flow to it.
Not having seen Ed's original, I can't say for sure, but I am lead to believe (mostly by Ed's own lore) that it was a LOT more cohesive when he was the only captain at the helm.
And since I am studying maps again ATM, I noticed that the Realms (when viewed all together looks a lot like Earth (the Laurasian continent) during the Triassic period - Yal Tengri/the Great Ice Sea is a really good fit.
So now we have discerned that Golarion looks like Gor, and that Toril looks like Earth's Pangea. 
And weirdly, that puts Shadowdale right around Ed's house.  |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Nov 2011 : 22:43:43
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Heh. So it does...so it does.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Nov 2011 : 00:04:33
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Golarion World Map... |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 12:21:07
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I like how on the Golarion world map there's a lot of land bridges, the continents aren't so isolated
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Originally posted by Markustay
So now we have discerned that Golarion looks like Gor, and that Toril looks like Earth's Pangea.
And weirdly, that puts Shadowdale right around Ed's house.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 16:43:24
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It actually coincides with some of what you were trying to do in your 'Fey lands' thread (lining up locales/gates between worlds/planes).
I think that interdimensional gates may be easier to build then distance ones - note that the Imaskari had relatively few same-plane portals (that we know of) compared to the planeswalking lore we have about them. You are basically just causing an object to change is Qunatum signature, as opposed to it's position in time and space.
Anyhow, enough magitech theory...
I also love the interconnectivity of Golarion, but at the same time, I think they are missing out on some of the benefits of distancing themselves. An ocean is great logical explanation of why culture 'A' has not had any effect on culture 'B'. One of the very few things I didn't like about the FR map was that Chult was connected - even a small body of water (relatively - like the straits of Gibraltar) would have worked better, IMHO. One more thing 4e got right (for me, at least).
On the other hand, 'choke points' work nearly as well, and could actually add more to the political climate/intrigue of an RPG world. The best I ever saw like that was this map - Imagine the political clout Ankh-Bathor has; its like Panama in the RW. An entire campaign can be set in that locale.
In my world, I have Mountain ranges doing something similar, and also two really good choke-points (one of which is very similar to the Utter East... wonder why  ). I like how the three main campaign areas were separated in FR, so I gave my world a similar layout (reminiscent of, not a direct copy by any means). Plus I have one 'Easter Egg' thingy built into the map (something I think Ed did as well) - if I am right about his, mine isn't nearly as cool (not as epic). |
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Sousana
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Posted - 08 Nov 2011 : 09:59:52
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| Well, Greyhawk is very clearly set on an ancient RW map, so why not? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 08 Nov 2011 : 17:21:51
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Sousana
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Posted - 10 Nov 2011 : 04:11:29
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| Yes. I can't provide reference, sadly, but it was discussed in Dragon. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 10 Nov 2011 : 21:11:00
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Just not seeing it; even mirrored, it still doesn't look much like Europe.
If its supposed to be some sort of antidiluvian America... maybe... but I still don't buy it. I'd love to know what issue of dragon it was - I had most of them. I'm going to have to research this a bit now.
EDIT: Wow... while looking for an article by Gary Gygax, I stumbled upon an article in issue #1 of The Dragon, which was about mixing scify with fantasy - talk about cross-thread pollination! |
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Map of Toril v/s Map of Pathfinder Inner Sea
