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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 16:40:49
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What are some interesting/unique character quirks from Realms novels that you either loved or hated? 
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Edited by - Artemas Entreri on 17 Oct 2011 16:41:22
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
894 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 16:56:01
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| The difficulty of Danilo to stay out of his idiotic-sarcastic-noble character in situation where his cover is safe (meaning, in front of Blackstaff). I'm not the only one here who thinks some of these quotes are amongst the best in the realms! |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 17:03:52
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Everything about Malik. Sometimes it put a smile on my face, but often, it simply annoyed me to no ends. |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
894 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 17:12:46
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| Without giving any spoilers, the unexpected burst of goodness/justice in Drasek Riven, namely when he encountered thugs beating on a dog, or that priest of Talos with the mercenaries, and the his last encounter with a certain devil after a certain important event (just read the book!). That gave much to the character. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 17:18:12
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Originally posted by Kilvan
The difficulty of Danilo to stay out of his idiotic-sarcastic-noble character in situation where his cover is safe (meaning, in front of Blackstaff). I'm not the only one here who thinks some of these quotes are amongst the best in the realms!
The word "Fop" comes to mind often when i picture him |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 17:18:55
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Originally posted by Kilvan
Without giving any spoilers, the unexpected burst of goodness/justice in Drasek Riven, namely when he encountered thugs beating on a dog, or that priest of Talos with the mercenaries, and the his last encounter with a certain devil after a certain important event (just read the book!). That gave much to the character.
Riven's many sneers come to mind too |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 19:06:42
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Originally posted by Kilvan
Without giving any spoilers, the unexpected burst of goodness/justice in Drasek Riven, namely when he encountered thugs beating on a dog, or that priest of Talos with the mercenaries, and the his last encounter with a certain devil after a certain important event (just read the book!). That gave much to the character.
Is that goodness, or just his own love of dogs? The latter doesn't require any appreciation for good or justice. |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
894 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 19:37:28
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ok Twilight War SPOILERS
- Yes I think such a profound love of animals could be considered a kind of goodness.
- In my second example, he goes out of his way to find the killer of the son of the Paladin, which is definitely a good act.
- In the last example, his actual sadness concerning Cale's death made him go against Mephistopheles. Even though he wasn't afraid of dying, he made a very powerful enemy.
Ok, the last one isn't the best example, but I think Drasek has shown some uncharacteristic but believable goodness on occasion, and I thought the character was really well-written because of that. |
Edited by - Kilvan on 17 Oct 2011 19:38:12 |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 19:44:01
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I am inclined to agree. He is not exactly good, [hardly anyone is], but he has indeed a goodness in him. In addition to your examples, when everything turned too dark and hopeless for them, he could have long ago deserted Cale and Mags and forged a destiny of his own. Yet, he stuck with them, for somehow in his own way, he understood what friendship meant. |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
894 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 19:49:40
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| I love how most of Khelben's scenes have him pacing impatiently, or being simply angry or annoyed, unless Laeral is present. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 19:56:14
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Originally posted by Dennis
I am inclined to agree. He is not exactly good, [hardly anyone is], but he has indeed a goodness in him. In addition to your examples, when everything turned too dark and hopeless for them, he could have long ago deserted Cale and Mags and forged a destiny of his own. Yet, he stuck with them, for somehow in his own way, he understood what friendship meant.
He also helped keep Cale going in a Sam/Mr. Frodoesque way |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 20:18:14
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Lallara bitching at Samas at every opportunity. It's impossible not to love her. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 22:10:05
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Originally posted by Kilvan
ok Twilight War SPOILERS
- Yes I think such a profound love of animals could be considered a kind of goodness.
- In my second example, he goes out of his way to find the killer of the son of the Paladin, which is definitely a good act.
- In the last example, his actual sadness concerning Cale's death made him go against Mephistopheles. Even though he wasn't afraid of dying, he made a very powerful enemy.
Ok, the last one isn't the best example, but I think Drasek has shown some uncharacteristic but believable goodness on occasion, and I thought the character was really well-written because of that.
Still not seeing it. How does loving animals translate to doing right by people? Assassins are generally not considered good, even if they like dogs or ducks or little furry kittens.
Going out of your way to find a killer isn't an inherently good act, unless he only did it because it was the right thing to do. Even if he did it for someone else's benefit, it's still not necessarily a good act -- doing right by one person doesn't preclude happily doing evil to others.
Evil people can still have friends. Being sad at the loss of one isn't a reflection of alignment.
Evil people can have friends and lovers, can like puppies and Smurfs, and can go out of their way to do something that would be considered good. But if they're still doing evil things the rest of the time, they're evil. Evil isn't always evil, and evil does not equal uncaring murderous psychopath. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 17 Oct 2011 22:11:21 |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
894 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 22:16:56
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| You misunderstood me, I know Drasek is evil, and I agree with everything you said. I just said that as a reader, I felt that Drasek wasn't evil to the core. Avenging the son of a paladin by taking on a full mercenary camp by yourself didn't make him a good person, but an evil person capable of compassion and a certain sense of justice. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 22:33:10
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Another way of thinking about Riven, he may be evil and he has committed acts of great evil, but he's not irredeemably evil. In that sense, he's not "demon-level" evil, as demons are irredeemably evil.
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 23:24:42
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Originally posted by Therise
Another way of thinking about Riven, he may be evil and he has committed acts of great evil, but he's not irredeemably evil. In that sense, he's not "demon-level" evil, as demons are irredeemably evil.
Try saying "irredeemable evil" 5 times fast Therise |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Oct 2011 : 00:07:36
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Therise
Another way of thinking about Riven, he may be evil and he has committed acts of great evil, but he's not irredeemably evil. In that sense, he's not "demon-level" evil, as demons are irredeemably evil.
Try saying "irredeemable evil" 5 times fast Therise
I caaaaan't! I'll bite my forked tongue!
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2011 : 00:20:48
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Therise
Another way of thinking about Riven, he may be evil and he has committed acts of great evil, but he's not irredeemably evil. In that sense, he's not "demon-level" evil, as demons are irredeemably evil.
Try saying "irredeemable evil" 5 times fast Therise
I caaaaan't! I'll bite my forked tongue!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2011 : 00:21:04
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Originally posted by Kilvan
You misunderstood me, I know Drasek is evil, and I agree with everything you said. I just said that as a reader, I felt that Drasek wasn't evil to the core. Avenging the son of a paladin by taking on a full mercenary camp by yourself didn't make him a good person, but an evil person capable of compassion and a certain sense of justice.
Fair enough. That I can agree with. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 18 Oct 2011 : 02:47:08
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Kilvan
The difficulty of Danilo to stay out of his idiotic-sarcastic-noble character in situation where his cover is safe (meaning, in front of Blackstaff). I'm not the only one here who thinks some of these quotes are amongst the best in the realms!
The word "Fop" comes to mind often when i picture him
Ah, but that's the cleverness of Danilo's carefully cultured personality -- in that, he's making you see only what he wants you to see.  |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2011 : 04:27:44
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I was surprised when Szass Tam admitted to himself that he was touched by Malark’s and one of the tharachions [forgot his name]’ concern for him when he staggered and nearly fell after casting a plethora of spells to give chase to the fleeing zulkirs. That scene is in Undead, at the port of Bezantur. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 18 Oct 2011 : 04:44:07
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| He is perhaps sometimes reminded in odd little ways that he possesses some vestiges of humanity? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2011 : 06:08:31
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Most likely. He was not expecting it, as he must have thought that people only followed him out of fear or other selfish reasons.
On a not so different note, I like it that despite their unquestionably black hearts and extreme haughtiness, Nevron and Szass Tam felt, when the Black Hand appeared before them [in separate occasions], a strange inclination to abase themselves… but, realizing that an archwizard answers to no one, immediately expunged the feeling. |
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Idamar of Thay
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 00:16:17
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| I always loved the whole Entreri/Jarlaxle relationship, how despite Entreri's bad moods Jarlaxle is always enthusiastic and charming enough for the both of them. |
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Mantis
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 20 Oct 2011 : 06:08:27
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| I personally Love Pikel Bouldershoulder, its refreshing to see a dwarf not be quite so serious all the time |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2011 : 02:30:09
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Originally posted by Mantis
I personally Love Pikel Bouldershoulder, its refreshing to see a dwarf not be quite so serious all the time
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