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Markustay
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 :  18:16:31  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I once made an off-hand comment (WHO? Me? ) in some thread about how "only people with all those titles next to their names (subscribers and big-buyers) got listened to". It just seemed that way to me - folks with no titles were getting completely ignored (I'm not used to being ignored ).

Eric Mona and two other Paizo big wigs IMMEDIATELY responded to my post, and explained that everyone was listened to.

Nowwwwww, on the surface that may seem like they were just in 'deny mode', but it proved to me they read EVERY SINGLE POST and address all problems BEFORE they become problems. Ergo, I cannot possibly believe that they would ignore playtesters that disagreed with their decisions.

I still have to question their decision to put all those titles next to the avatars - it seems to me you can 'buy clout' - but whatever, its their company and they seem to be doing things right, IMHO.

*EDIT: Oh, and I soon as I get my 'contents check' from the insurance comapany, I plan to be one of those subscribers... but I don't give a rat's arse what titles I accrue... I just want the goodies.

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Edited by - Markustay on 06 Oct 2011 18:19:47
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Diffan
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 :  14:17:54  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by sleyvas


Anyway, this kind of argument leads in circles. I'll grant you, wizards have a more likelihood of surviving if they're prepared, but its not so unbalanced as to make it a no brainer. So far though, I've learned very little about my initial hopes and this seems to be deteriorating to just a rant (except for what Markustay <think it was him> said about Pathfinder stating that they intended for the play to be a bit more powerful, that does indeed put a new spin on things that I had not realized and I'll take that into account when reading).



Agreed, and sorry if I helped lead into any sort of Rant on your thread . Some other things I've really favored PF over 3.5 was the Combat Maneuver system. It's sorta like how Grapple checks and other combat systems in v3.5 work but it's more incompassing and smoother than 3e. For example it's a simple Check vs. Combat Maneuver Defesne (10 + Str + BAB + additional modifier) and that's the number you beat, not the opponent's roll + modifiers. To me, the 3E way made it a competition of Player vs. DM where as the PF way is just a DC to beat (less competitive IMO).

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Rhewtani
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 :  15:03:53  Show Profile Send Rhewtani a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Diffan, have you flipped through the wound point and armor as dr rules from ultimate combat?
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Diffan
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 :  15:51:20  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Diffan, have you flipped through the wound point and armor as dr rules from ultimate combat?



Na, I don't have that supplement. Basically what I use and play from Paizo is directly from their OGL website so it leaves me room to buy WotC products. Is it like the Wound/Vitality and AC as DR system of v3.5 from Unearthed Arcana?

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sleyvas
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Posted - 08 Oct 2011 :  16:17:01  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

I know there are. My concern is the fact that I've had waaaaaay too many character deaths at the hands of ogres.



In the case of Pathfinder ogres, that's at least better than being taken alive.



Just judging by what I saw in the movie "Your Highness" you also don't want to be taken alive by a lonely minotaur who has been trapped in a labyrinth for years with no "companionship".

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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sleyvas
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Posted - 08 Oct 2011 :  16:20:50  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas


Anyway, this kind of argument leads in circles. I'll grant you, wizards have a more likelihood of surviving if they're prepared, but its not so unbalanced as to make it a no brainer. So far though, I've learned very little about my initial hopes and this seems to be deteriorating to just a rant (except for what Markustay <think it was him> said about Pathfinder stating that they intended for the play to be a bit more powerful, that does indeed put a new spin on things that I had not realized and I'll take that into account when reading).



Agreed, and sorry if I helped lead into any sort of Rant on your thread . Some other things I've really favored PF over 3.5 was the Combat Maneuver system. It's sorta like how Grapple checks and other combat systems in v3.5 work but it's more incompassing and smoother than 3e. For example it's a simple Check vs. Combat Maneuver Defesne (10 + Str + BAB + additional modifier) and that's the number you beat, not the opponent's roll + modifiers. To me, the 3E way made it a competition of Player vs. DM where as the PF way is just a DC to beat (less competitive IMO).



Ah, I had TOTALLY skipped over that section in my haste to look at magic (that and I figured it was more of the same stuff regurgitated). I'll have to take a look at it. Especially since I try to be a defensive player/DM, this might be something that would bite me.

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Phillip aka Sleyvas
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Hawkins
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Posted - 08 Oct 2011 :  16:55:54  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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quote:
Originally posted by Rhewtani

Diffan, have you flipped through the wound point and armor as dr rules from ultimate combat?



Na, I don't have that supplement. Basically what I use and play from Paizo is directly from their OGL website so it leaves me room to buy WotC products. Is it like the Wound/Vitality and AC as DR system of v3.5 from Unearthed Arcana?



It is available for free with their other stuff. Pathfinder is all OGL:
Armor As Damage Reduction
Wounds and Vigor

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Posted - 08 Oct 2011 :  17:11:22  Show Profile Send Marc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
One of my players is very happy with the changes on bard, spells and masterpieces mostly. She's a dancing bard and rafter, but not a good singer.

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