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Ayrik
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 Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 15:59:10
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| Distance is not an issue. Teleport magics can instantly move to any other point in space, no matter how distant; in fact, even to other worlds and planes (with limits, imposed not by the distance but by barriers such as crystal spheres and divine domains). |
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Bladewind
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 16:59:07
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I definately see Cyric as the realms equivalent of Loki. Cyric even caused the death of Helm in a similar way as Loki caused the death of Balder, by disguising himself as another god (I suspect that Cyric posed as Helm when Tyr was wooing Tymorra before the Tyr-Helm dispute).
Gods in the realms have limited foresight over time regarding everything in their portfolios; they know their divine rank in tendays ahead of time when an event happens in their influence. It's the main source of prophesy in the realms. A cool thing I learned from Ed's replies is that in Faerun, most seers and oracles are very young. As an oracle becomes older her interpretations of the divine voices in her head have been proven false more often and they quickly loose favor amongst the people.
Other than the foresight of deities I have a great dislike for time travel in stories: it makes my head spin. |
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 16:59:58
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 17:02:04
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Is time travel restricted in the Realms? If yes, who or what restricts it? And why? It's just that I very rarely see it being utilized in FR fiction, unlike the Magic: The Gathering novels, which almost always make use of it, in both grand and subtle ways. In MtG, they call it clockworking, and nearly every time it's used, it makes the plot interesting.
Off the top of my head I can recall only two instances. One is when Karsus used it to “get” his star and Candlemas (Dangerous Games). And the other is when Cera, a priestess of Amaunator, and Aoth employed it to spy on the dragons during their secret convocation (Whisper of Venom).
Time traveling could have undone a lot of realms-shattering events...or maybe worsened them... Whichever is the case, I guess one way or another, it could have helped develop some elements in the plot of some FR novels.
I remember buying the "Chronomancers" guide book for the 2nd Ed AD&D and thought it was interesting to read, but never actually wanted to implement it into my campaigns. As in our world on Earth, there are just way too many unpredictable events that would occur if time travel would be possible...which i believe Einstein thought it was...in theory of course. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 17:16:31
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Like you, I'm not particularly fond of time travel in fantasy fiction. My issue is really that time travel mainly serves these purposes:
It lets "current" characters and events spill over into past settings. To my mind it would be better to just write a novel/trilogy set in ancient Netheril than to send Mirt there to establish an ancient banking trust.
Deus ex machina in extrema, time travel allows narrative structure to be cheapened and manipulated before events were even set in motion. I much mislike science fiction which abuses the ideas of time travel and parallel universes, much less when these things encroach upon fantasy fiction. It's even cheaper than the old "it was just a dream" nonsense.
Once time travel becomes accessible - even with conditions and complications - it begs the possibility of people changing elements in their past to control their present. Why doesn't Azoun use time travel to kill Manshoon's parents or command an army to annex Zhentil Keep before it could be a threat? Why not more subtle abuses of time travel to simply move an army, or a dozen temporal copies of that army, to Thay in an instant? Why doesn't Manshoon use time travel to attack fledgling Cormyr? Sure the authors and readers of the novels, alongside most of the wiser characters within, will understand the risks and costs of time travel, but the same cannot be said of everybody else who lives in the setting. Look how childishly the gods of Faerűn behave and tell me that nobody will warp the world once time travel can be easily achieved. |
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 17:56:43
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| If time travel ran rampant in the Realms, then i guess Lloth would be happy...being a goddess of chaos and all. |
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Thelonius
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 18:09:43
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About time travel I always found fascinating the events in the Dragonlance saga, so sorry I can't remember the name right now, where Raistlin goes to the past to try to open the portal to Takhisis plane. The fact he thinks his knowledge of the events will allow him to avoid the same mistake Fistandantilus commited when trying the same, and the fact he realises he is heading exactly in the same direction to failure really oened my eyes at how human Raistlin was. Time-travel is one of my most loved and feared events as you usually use them in the Skynet way, I go to past and kill the bad guy before he does his evil deed. I use to follow the rule that time-travelling allows you to change small parts of the picture, but never the whole picture itself, wich annoys quite a llow my fellow players  |
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Sep 2011 : 11:12:38
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Deus ex machina in extrema, time travel allows narrative structure to be cheapened and manipulated before events were even set in motion. I much mislike science fiction which abuses the ideas of time travel and parallel universes, much less when these things encroach upon fantasy fiction. It's even cheaper than the old "it was just a dream" nonsense.
Not necessarily. I recommend you read some MtG novels, particularly Stover's Test of Metal and all of King's. You will most likely change your perception. In MtG, there are a lot of clockworkers (mages who manipulate time). But no matter how powerful they become or how many and how closely they work in concert, none of them could ever undo a major event in the setting (what to FR would be an RSE), or affect it significantly. Furthermore, clockworking (time traveling) presents a lot of realities that would both confuse and challenge the reader, and it makes the ending of every story usually unexpected. When one clockworker is able to cancel one reality where his foe is heading, he still isn't assured that the said enemy would be obliterated in the present or prime reality, because master clockworkers could could manifest themselves in more than one reality so fast that they may look like they appear simultaneously in various realities. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Sep 2011 : 22:41:26
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Does the handful of Norse deities adopted into Faerűn (Tyr, Helm/Heimdall, Kezef/Fenrir, etc) indicate that the Realms will be involved in the prophesy of Ragnarok?
I gotta say I love quoting myself, it makes me seem smart and stuff.
But more about this question of Ragnarok prophesy ... could Cyric be seen as the Realms counterpart of Loki, particularly since he released Kezef? Tyr and Helm have also played parts similar to those predicted in Ragnarok. Amaunator might be seen as Odin and Lathander as Baldur (in terms of the Realmsified roles they comprise within this prophesy), Tempus (or Talos?) as Thor, Shar as Hel, Silvanus and Chauntea as Frey and Freya, etc
Just sayin' that although it's an imperfect fit, it might be that Ragnarok is indeed prophesied within the Realms. Perhaps, just as likely, it has already come to pass?
Incidentally, is there any Realms equivalent to the goddess-triad Norns or Fates?
Angharrahd comes to mind- and the elves DO have their own "Ragnarok" prophesy in the Realms. The "Finale". |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 14:39:54
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Time Travel is not only possible, but Steven Hawkins has his own theories about time being non-linear that blows the doors of Einsteins theories wide-open (moments in time are just separated by wavelengths, so each moment co-exists within the same physical space, unaware of each other, like pages in a book).
I do indeed believe in Fate (both game & RW), so I am of the opinion that major events CANNOT be circumvented (although they can be modified in small ways, and even detained). The universe, IMO, is self-correcting, and the timeline is just one of the many, MANY aspects of it that gets repaired... over time. 
In fact, I have an entire trilogy of novels planned (in my head) that deals with just such a 'disruption', and one man's mission to correct it (a 'Connecticut Yankee' type story).
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It's possible that Mystryl hid the star which was in Karsus's timeframe, knowing how powerful it was; and thought that the one from the future was out of his reach due to the restrictions she placed on time traveling.
THIS, FTW. 
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Incidentally, is there any Realms equivalent to the goddess-triad Norns or Fates?
Angharrahd comes to mind- and the elves DO have their own "Ragnarok" prophesy in the Realms. The "Finale".
Interesting line-of-thought...
In the Faerie thread we had made some (non-canonical) conclusions that there are connections between the Fey and the early earth Pantheons of the Celts and Norse.
As much as most folks disliked the deific down-sizing in 4e, I had personally always felt there were far less 'gods' then mortals suspected, and that most gods had multiple aspects in order to interact with different races.
On another related note, I had (at one time) been working on a unified K-T pantheon post-ToT, and had added-in a Fate/Norns like trio of goddesses, and had even gone so far as to use a past aspect of Lolth (Araushnee) as the youthful weaver-deity. I nerfed that very derivative idea even before I cancelled my K-T project.
Now, if we assume that there is a trio of Fate-gods, and it is part of the Elven Pantheon (which is called the Vanir in Norse), then we might also assume that Araushnee may have indeed been a part of that (being a lesser power back then), and she may have lost that position after her fall, thus requiring the Seldarine to 'fill the gap' by creating Angarrahd.
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 15:03:58
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Dennis
It's possible that Mystryl hid the star which was in Karsus's timeframe, knowing how powerful it was; and thought that the one from the future was out of his reach due to the restrictions she placed on time traveling.
THIS, FTW.
You get a no-prize!
I could be incorrect. So I'm bringing the matter over to Ed's scroll. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 12:58:49
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Ed's reply isn't coming until...well, maybe next year. I'm patient as a lamb.
While waiting, let me just share some more conjectures and questions...
Mystra 1.0 still held the power to affect time through magic even after her catastrophic reboot. Why didn't she simply go back in time and undo Karsus's Folly? There would have been more to gain than lose. The Netherese were all spellcasters. So whether they would worship her or not, they would still empower her in so many ways. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 17:34:45
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Once again, I must rely on Marvel Comics for a logical answer to multiversal questions.
ALL beings are constrained by time, in that if they change things, they could affect their own past, and create time-paradox, which could lead to their own destruction (if not the whole universe).
The Beyonder, THE MOST POWERFUL being in the Marvel universe (technically as powerful as every other being in that universe put together), could not kill Doctor Doom when he met him, because a future version of Doom had interacted with him in the past (on the Beyonder-world in the Secret Wars series), and all he could do was banish him back to that point in time when they had first met (to the Beyonder, not to Doom, who did not recognize The Beyonder... it gets confusing).
I used time-travel in minor way (a malfunctioning portal), and it worked very well, and everyone enjoyed the surprise outcome, but I got very lucky, and knew my group very well, and was able to 'steer' their actions (and reactions) enough to make everything work out as it should. it was a neat trick, but a hundred things could have gone wrong, but it was worth the risk.
I do not recommend time-travel to any DM - it is Pandora's Box. I got lucky. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 23:34:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
ALL beings are constrained by time, in that if they change things, they could affect their own past, and create time-paradox, which could lead to their own destruction (if not the whole universe).
That's not entirely accurate, as Galactus [along with the rest of his "family"] has consistently been referenced as existing before the current time of the Marvel Universe Earth-616.
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The Beyonder, THE MOST POWERFUL being in the Marvel universe (technically as powerful as every other being in that universe put together), ...
I'd be very careful assuming any one of the "godlike" beings in the Marvel univese is "THE MOST POWERFUL" -- as they all have, at one time or another, been declared as such. Like Thanos-plus-Infinity Gauntlet, who was said to be the most powerful and godlike figure in the Marvel universe at the time of the Infinity Gauntlet storyline. Or, even, the Celestials.
And, also, in the cosmic Annihilation and Annihilation Conquest storylines [and, to a lesser degree, the follow up Realm of Kings mini-epic], we're introduced to beings capable of actually beating down Galactus. [They left him bloodied and broken, and ultimately, subject to their will--maintaining his original World-Eater function--but forcibly directing him to their own choice of planets/races to attack.]
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Sep 2011 : 00:08:05
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there is a decent netbook on time travel for 3.x. just
search for it on a search engine. I would give you the name,
but im at work and my stuff is not nearby.
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Tyrant
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Sep 2011 : 00:33:03
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Markustay
ALL beings are constrained by time, in that if they change things, they could affect their own past, and create time-paradox, which could lead to their own destruction (if not the whole universe).
That's not entirely accurate, as Galactus [along with the rest of his "family"] has consistently been referenced as existing before the current time of the Marvel Universe Earth-616.
TO add to that, I thought the way time travel usually worked in Marvel was that it created alternate timelines. Isn't that why the Cross Time Council of Kangs exists, due to his repeated uses of time travel?
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The Beyonder, THE MOST POWERFUL being in the Marvel universe (technically as powerful as every other being in that universe put together), ...
I'd be very careful assuming any one of the "godlike" beings in the Marvel univese is "THE MOST POWERFUL" -- as they all have, at one time or another, been declared as such. Like Thanos-plus-Infinity Gauntlet, who was said to be the most powerful and godlike figure in the Marvel universe at the time of the Infinity Gauntlet storyline. Or, even, the Celestials.
I have been under the impression that either Eternity or The Living Tribunal were likely the most powerful (barring Infinity Gauntlet type hijinks).
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 24 Sep 2011 : 01:12:41
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there is a decent netbook on time travel for 3.x. just
search for it on a search engine. I would give you the name,
but im at work and my stuff is not nearby.
You can find it here.
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The Sage
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Posted - 24 Sep 2011 : 01:29:32
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Originally posted by Tyrant
TO add to that, I thought the way time travel usually worked in Marvel was that it created alternate timelines. Isn't that why the Cross Time Council of Kangs exists, due to his repeated uses of time travel?
Alternate timelines can and do exist alongside the mainstream Marvel universe.
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I have been under the impression that either Eternity or The Living Tribunal were likely the most powerful (barring Infinity Gauntlet type hijinks).
Eternity and Infinity [along with their "brothers" and "sisters" -- like Lord Chaos and Master Order] embody the abstract concepts of reality in the Marvel universe. Their power, then, as I see it, can't be easily quantifiable only within the context of the Marvel universe, because their very natures allow them to perceive and interact with other realities beyond the mainstream Marvel universe.
Within the Marvel universe however, cosmic entities like the Celestials, [maybe] Galactus [who, I think, occupies a strange grey-area between the physical cosmic entities I'm referencing in this paragraph, and those of the abstract concepts like Eternity that I mentioned above], the Stranger, and/or the In-Betweener, embody universal functions that are applicable only inside the scope of the Marvel Universe. Thus, their power levels are easier to categorise. |
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althen artren
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Posted - 24 Sep 2011 : 02:07:44
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yup, thats it Sage.
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 11:53:02
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Originally posted by Tyrant
I have been under the impression that either Eternity or The Living Tribunal were likely the most powerful (barring Infinity Gauntlet type hijinks).
The most powerful being in the Marvel multiverse is The One Above All. No, not the Celestial that goes by the same name, but the Living Tribunal's superior. He is their "God" (essentially the equivalent of DC's Presence, and in their multiverse is the ultimate creator of everything). |
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Dennis
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 12:14:36
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Guys, can we keep it on topic?
I'm trying to understand why the first Mystra did not go back in time to undo Karsus's Folly... As I noted, her gains would have outweighed her losses. Surely such act wouldn't destroy all of Toril, would it? Did she see the future where the Netherese lived like the Imaskarans, defying the gods, including her? Did she see one of them successfully ascending and replacing one of the greater gods, allying with her rival deities, killing her ruthlessly, and preventing her from ever reappearing? So many possibilities, so little clues... |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 15:49:51
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Could be the whole paradox issue... If she traveled back in time to undo it, then it never happened, which means she didn't have to travel back in time to undo it, which means it did happen, and so on...
Or maybe there's limits to what she could have done -- limits imposed by the nature of time itself, or by Ao. Maybe it's like what Raistlin discovered: change out the participants in a given event, and the same thing will happen with a different set of participants.
Heck, she might have even known that she was fated to die, just not how or when, and thus rolled with it when it came. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 18:05:15
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Wooly's reasoning largely mirrors my own, and it's similar to my stance during the previous discussion we all had about Mystra, Karsus, and the outcome of his Folly.
Time is a fickle construct. And I don't expect that demi-/lesser- or even greater gods can fully appreciate every nuisance and pattern conceived in the temporal fabric that weaves across the face of a particular setting's reality. That's something only a creator god can truly comprehend because, usually, only they have the ability to transcend the constraints of time -- either by existing both before and after the act of creation -- or by merely dictating such a temporal formula during the creation process itself. |
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Therise
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 18:31:40
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Originally posted by Dennis
Guys, can we keep it on topic?
I'm trying to understand why the first Mystra did not go back in time to undo Karsus's Folly... As I noted, her gains would have outweighed her losses. Surely such act wouldn't destroy all of Toril, would it? Did she see the future where the Netherese lived like the Imaskarans, defying the gods, including her? Did she see one of them successfully ascending and replacing one of the greater gods, allying with her rival deities, killing her ruthlessly, and preventing her from ever reappearing? So many possibilities, so little clues...
Although Mystra could theoretically jump time and change futures, she may not be able to if she's operating under certain rules.
Traveling time is a "game changer" of the worst kind. Imagine that ability as having a nuclear bomb. If many countries have nuclear bombs, it may be necessary for the safety of the entire world to have a nuclear accord. Similarly, if many deities have the ability to travel time and change things to their personal benefit, it might be necessary to have a "temporal accord" such that everyone agrees not to use it.
In such a case, perhaps Mystra was the guardian of the temporal accord, one of the rules of deities that mortals don't get to see because we might not understand the reasons or ramifications.
Thinking about this, there may have been many events that "happened" in mythic time, but never happened in current real time. Once you have more than one deity that knows how to travel time, they may have started to use that ability whenever they wanted. And in so doing, started damaging the timeline. Things like the Dawn Cataclysm may have happened in a timeline that was subsequently erased. It still happened for the gods, but not for mortals, so it became "mythic time" and part of legend.
Eventually, with too many gods erasing and re-doing events as they saw fit, it might have necessitated a temporal accord. Mystra may have been the accord's guardian, and Ao may have been the enforcer.
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Dennis
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 23:11:11
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Good postulations, Wooly, Sage, and Therise. But wouldn't it be great if no one and nothing restricts time traveling? I would like to go back to my MtG comparison. The MtG multiverse doesn't have deities, but there are beings in the setting which are akin to Toril's gods, if not in essence, then at least in power. There, no one has the ability to restrict time travel. Clockworkers and planeswalkers could manipulate time. However, there are variables and constants that they have to work with. One, they cannot undo a cataclysm. They can only affect it in the minutest way possible. [That might be one of the reasons the novel line is somehow more consistent, compared to FR.] Two, what one clockworker can alter, another clockworker [usually more powerful] can cancel. Three, there are many realities; but there exists no Prime Reality, just an illusion of it, something the Toralians would like to posit so as to make a reference point from which other realities can be based. Four, excessive use of magic/mana in a specific place at a particular time may rift the very fabric of time/reality, something the planeswalkers or beings of same might always find difficult and at times impossible to repair. Thus, most who dabble with time-related spells take special care [at least the sane and wise ones] to utilize just enough magic to further their goals, not too much as to disrupt the time stream. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Sep 2011 : 04:08:56
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Good postulations, Wooly, Sage, and Therise. But wouldn't it be great if no one and nothing restricts time traveling? ...
No, I don't think it would be. You'd have endless re-framing of the timeline and anyone with the ability wouldn't be happy until they forced things to be "their way" and not someone else's.
That's why I think the Chronomancer restrictions (by Mystryl, originally) make a lot of sense for the Realms. You can enjoy up to a year in any past time-frame, but nothing a time-traveler does will actually influence the real timeline. Almost like having one's own private time bubble.
It satisfies curiosity, yet prevents damage to reality. For both gods and mortals.
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Sep 2011 : 06:08:11
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by Dennis
Good postulations, Wooly, Sage, and Therise. But wouldn't it be great if no one and nothing restricts time traveling? ...
No, I don't think it would be. You'd have endless re-framing of the timeline and anyone with the ability wouldn't be happy until they forced things to be "their way" and not someone else's.
The beauty of having no restrictions is that it gives beings of power the illusion that they can control time and history, when in reality, it seems, Time itself reframes/reconstructs everything, like in MtG. Or maybe that's an unknown overgod in MtG working his wonders. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Sep 2011 : 08:08:42
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Originally posted by Dennis
The beauty of having no restrictions is that it gives beings of power the illusion that they can control time and history, when in reality, it seems, Time itself reframes/reconstructs everything, like in MtG. Or maybe that's an unknown overgod in MtG working his wonders.
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Sep 2011 : 08:58:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Heck, she might have even known that she was fated to die, just not how or when, and thus rolled with it when it came.
Could the same be applied to her death during the Spellplague? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Sep 2011 : 01:58:58
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Does Amaunator have “freer” access to time travel than any other gods, except Mystra? Was the successful time traveling of Cera [a priestess of Amaunator] due to her god’s supremacy over time? Or did it become possible only because Mystra wasn’t around to “regulate” time traveling? |
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