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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 10 Aug 2011 : 17:21:22
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What would you say is the better class to take for a Rogue? Thanks.
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Diffan
Great Reader
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4457 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2011 : 17:58:55
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| Swashbuckler, hands down. That is, if we're talking about v3.5. With the Swashbuckler, you get skills that work well with the Rogue, d10 HP, good BAB, and some interesting class features like free Weapon Finesse, Graceful, and Insightful Strike. In additoni, you have the feat Daring Outlaw (Complete Scoundrel) that allows you to stack your Graceful class feature and Sneak Attack features if you go mostly rogue or swashbuckler. There is also the Alternate Class Feature (Shield of Blades, i believe) from PH2 for those who dual-wield weapons. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2011 : 20:36:20
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| Agreed. And if you're a gnome, you can then go into Blade Bravo, pick up some giant fighting feats, and be virtually untouchable. All kinds of fun. I'm actually playing one of those right now (though we're still at level 5, so I haven't gotten to the good stuff yet). |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4457 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2011 : 04:43:20
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Agreed. And if you're a gnome, you can then go into Blade Bravo, pick up some giant fighting feats, and be virtually untouchable. All kinds of fun. I'm actually playing one of those right now (though we're still at level 5, so I haven't gotten to the good stuff yet).
Nice, hadn't thought of that. I have a cross-over (v3.5 to PF) of a Swashbuckler/ Rogue/ Swordsage. Here's the char. sheet though mind that he's now fully converted to Pathfinder, so the skills are off as are a few other things. Attacks, Damage, and many feats are still the same, so it's not too far from what he'd be in v3.5
ZAKARUS
XP 9,600
Male human rogue 6/ swashbuckler 3/ swordsage 1
N Medium humanoid (human)
Init +7; Senses Perception +14 (+17 vs. traps)
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DEFENSE
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AC 27, touch 19, flat-footed 19 (+5 armor, +6 Dex, +2 shield, +2 Cha, +1 deflection, +1 natural); Dodge, +2 to AC vs. traps
hp 96 (6d8+6 plus 3d10+3 plus 1d8+1)
Fort +7, Ref +17 (+19 vs. traps), Will +8 (+10 vs. fear)
Resist evasion
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OFFENSE
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Speed 30 ft.
Melee +1 assassinating shortsword of least life drinking +15/+10 (1d6+9/19-20) or
Melee +1 assassinating shortsword of least life drinking +13/+8 (1d6+9/19-20) and +1 shortsword of least life drinking +13/+8 (1d6+8/19-20) with Improved Two-Weapon Fighting or
Melee mwk dagger +15/+10 (1d4+8/19-20)
Ranged +1 shocking elvencraft composite longbow (Str +1) +14/+9 (1d8+2/x3, plus 1d6 electricity)
Atk Options bleeding attack, disruptive attack, sneak attack +5d6
Spell-Like Abilities (CL 6th)
3/day—no light
Skill Tricks nimble stand, shrouded dance
Maneuvers and Stances Known (IL 5th)
Stance—step of the wind (1st)
Strike—fan the flames (3rd), soaring raptor strike‡ (3rd), wolf fang strike‡ (1st)
Boost—burning blade (1st)
Counter—mind over body‡ (2nd)
Other—shadow jaunt‡ (2nd)
Disciplines—Desert Wind, Diamond Mind, Shadow Hand, Tiger Claw
‡ Readied maneuver
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STATISTICS
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Str 10, Dex 22, Con 12, Int 14, Wis 14, Cha 14
Base Atk +7; CMB +7; CMD 23
Feats Combat Reflexes, Daring Outlaw, Dodge, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Mobility, Superior Finesse, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse
Skills Acrobatics +16, Bluff +12, Climb +8, Craft (poison) +10, Diplomacy +7, Disable Device +18 (+21 against traps), Disguise +8, Escape Artist +11, Intimidate +6, Knowledge (dungeoneering) +8, Knowledge (local) +8, Perform (dance) +11, Profession (apothecary) +6, Sense Motive +10, Slight of Hand +10, Stealth +22, Swim +4, Use Magic Device +13
Languages Common, Elven
SQ bravado, bravery +2, insightful strike (+2), trapfinding, trap sense +3, rogue talent (bleeding attack, combat trick, minor magic)
Combat Gear potion of rage, (2) oil of magic weapon +1, 1 potion of tree shape, wand of produce flame (CL 4th; 25 charges), 1 oil of shillelagh, oil of bless weapon, wand of knock (29 charges), eternal wand (ebon eyes) 2/day, 4 acid flasks
Possessions +1 mithral chain shirt, shield ring, sihedron medallion, stalker's mask, +1 shortsword [least crystal of life drinking] with oil chamber, +1 assassinating shortsword [least crystal of life drinking], ring of protection +1, amulet of natural armor +1, gauntlets of ogre power, +1 shocking elvencraft composite longbow with 25 arrows, masterwork thieves tools, masterwork surgeon's tools, masterwork dagger, standard adventuring kit, grappling hook, 7,066 gp, 682 sp, 230 cp.
Sources Used: Pathfinder_OGC, Complete Scoundrel, Book of Vile Darkness, Complete Warrior, Web Enhancement: Cityscape, urban tools part 3, Tome of Battle: Book of Nine Swords |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Aug 2011 : 15:58:10
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| both are tons of fun |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Feb 2015 : 14:25:05
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| I know that Swashbucklers were in Complete Warrior, but if memory serves, wasn't there an variant (3-3.5) published elsewhere? |
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Swashbuckler or Duelist?
