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rabindranath72
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 Posted - 14 Jul 2011 : 12:32:18
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Hi all,
I am thinking of picking this up for my next campaign. I have only the (first three) core 4e books, and if I can avoid buying the other two 4e FR books I would be happy; so, anybody knows whether they are required?
Thanks,
Antonio
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Diffan
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Posted - 14 Jul 2011 : 16:03:40
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| Required? Probably not, though you might want to pick up the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide incase the Bladesinger class (detailed inside the Neverwinter Guide) is an off-shoot of the Swordmage. And it'll be more helpful to any PC wanting to play a Bladesinger if you have that supplement. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 14 Jul 2011 : 20:46:58
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They aren't required, though use of those books will probably enhance/enrich your game. There are a number of references within the NWCG to things outside, and it helps to have a basic understanding of some of the politics, intrigue, and facts about the world.
I will also offer my opinion (and as one of the three authors, it's probably reasonably trustworthy) that you do NOT need to know anything about the Swordmage to understand and play the Bladesinger, but if you like one class, you will probably like the other. I happen to love swordmages. 
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Posted - 14 Jul 2011 : 20:54:53
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rabindranath72
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 13:01:36
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
They aren't required, though use of those books will probably enhance/enrich your game. There are a number of references within the NWCG to things outside, and it helps to have a basic understanding of some of the politics, intrigue, and facts about the world.
I will also offer my opinion (and as one of the three authors, it's probably reasonably trustworthy) that you do NOT need to know anything about the Swordmage to understand and play the Bladesinger, but if you like one class, you will probably like the other. I happen to love swordmages.
Cheers
Erik,
thank you for the answer! Since you have been so kind, I will bother you further...:)
1) Does the book reference 4e Essentials stuff which is not in the first three core books? (e.g. powers, class features etc.) Also, does it reference stuff from the other "core" 4e books? I am a "core only" guy at heart (and for 4e, this means "first three core only") and definitely don't plan on buying any other rule books.
2) I am not a fan of the Spellplague; I am not a fan of the Avatar crisis, either, so the idea was to run the campaign within the framework of the AD&D 1e Greybox. So, can this supplement be used in this context? Can the references to the FR lore be applied to previous editions' stuff (I also have the 3e FRCS)
Thank you!
Antonio
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Diffan
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 14:15:43
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Originally posted by Hawkins
Is this the 4e campaign setting release for this year (to Forgotten Realms in 2008, Eberron in 2009, Dark Sun in 2010)? I was wondering what they would do. Kind of surprised that they did not do something like Ravenloft or Dragonlance instead of returning to the Realms (not that I am complaining).
They announced that they weren't going to do a campaign setting this year awhile back if I remember correctly. Not sure why they went this route, espically with the big success Dark Sun was. But I never figured Ravenloft would make it as another fully published Campaign setting because of the lack of lore and (I feel) fanbase with the 4E rules in general.
I could see them doing Dragon Lance next, as that was a BIG franchise with WotC/TSR and the story line isn't completly dead. I feel, however, that they'd be better off doing more in-house material and focusing more on their own PoL-world and actually make it a fully fledge setting (like Golarion) and put their writers to the tast of putting out great lore for it (like they have been for DDI articles). |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 15:48:09
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Originally posted by rabindranath72
Erik,
thank you for the answer! Since you have been so kind, I will bother you further...:)
Absolutely. Lay 'em on me.
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1) Does the book reference 4e Essentials stuff which is not in the first three core books? (e.g. powers, class features etc.) Also, does it reference stuff from the other "core" 4e books? I am a "core only" guy at heart (and for 4e, this means "first three core only") and definitely don't plan on buying any other rule books.
You should be totally fine using this product. There *are* references to other rulesets and expansions, but you shouldn't need anything other than a basic playset for D&D. Just ignore references to druids, barbarians, psionics, spellscars, etc.
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2) I am not a fan of the Spellplague; I am not a fan of the Avatar crisis, either, so the idea was to run the campaign within the framework of the AD&D 1e Greybox. So, can this supplement be used in this context? Can the references to the FR lore be applied to previous editions' stuff (I also have the 3e FRCS)
Absolutely, with the caveat that a lot of the lore in this product is developed in the wake of the Spellplague and the cataclysm that almost destroyed Neverwinter (see Bob's novel Gauntlgrym). In your campaign, you're probably going to want to manufacture some other big nasty event that has ripped up the city (an earthquake is what I recommend). If you don't like the Spellplague, feel free to leave that out, or else put in a widespread magical curse/disease that's afflicting the city (something for the heroes to undo!).
Apply this philosophy to other stuff in the book that doesn't fit your game: alter or ignore as necessary. There are several major NPCs who have a role in this book--you should be able to use them as-is, or else substitute a different NPC as appropriate for your campaign.
I'm a big believer in "make it work for your game." No product is ever going to strike you as "exactly right" for your campaign; you need to take what you like and downplay the stuff you don't.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 15:55:00
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Originally posted by Hawkins
Is this the 4e campaign setting release for this year (to Forgotten Realms in 2008, Eberron in 2009, Dark Sun in 2010)? I was wondering what they would do. Kind of surprised that they did not do something like Ravenloft or Dragonlance instead of returning to the Realms (not that I am complaining).
Not to speak for anyone other than myself (as always), but I see this not as a campaign setting (I mean, obviously the Realms is that) but as a GUIDE for DMs who want to run a campaign in Neverwinter. It provides all the lore and tools you're going to need to sculpt a long-term quest full of intrigue, treachery, and adventure.
And while the product kind of aims at a particular range of levels, it also contains some killer mechanics that are usable at any level in any campaign (a slew of character themes, the bladesinger, and some special material for hardcore Realms fans).
I hope you'll find it a very fun product--I certainly enjoyed working on it!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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rabindranath72
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 15:56:16
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I'm a big believer in "make it work for your game." No product is ever going to strike you as "exactly right" for your campaign; you need to take what you like and downplay the stuff you don't.
Cheers
Erik,
thank you! Much appreciated :)
The idea of an earthquake is interesting. I am definitely not loathe to "shape" a product for my campaigns, but if the cost (in terms of time and effort) of adapting a book is too high, I tend to look elsewhere. From what you said, it looks like it might be a good buy.
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 15:59:48
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Hi Antonio,
I don't think the cost will be too high, but obviously you need to make that judgment for yourself. I suggest you go pick up a copy at your local gaming store and check it out before you buy. Or if you're coming to GenCon, hunt me down and we'll chat about it in person, if you like. I can give a much better answer if I know more details about the campaign you're putting together.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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rabindranath72
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 16:11:53
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Hi Antonio,
I don't think the cost will be too high, but obviously you need to make that judgment for yourself. I suggest you go pick up a copy at your local gaming store and check it out before you buy. Or if you're coming to GenCon, hunt me down and we'll chat about it in person, if you like. I can give a much better answer if I know more details about the campaign you're putting together.
Cheers
I might add that I am not a FR expert at all, having only barely read the core FR stuff (Grey box and 3e FRCS.) I only ran a few games in this setting, even back in the day of the Gray box (I have always been more of a Dragonlance DM.) Then I played (as a PC) in a 3e campaign. That's all my experience with the Realms  . I admit I was intrigued by the "two books only" 4e FR, but then I read about the Spellplague and lost interest.
With lack of time to prepare and read RPG material, something which is very focused and new is definitely welcome, hence my "choice" of the Neverwinter book.
I would gladly chat with you, but I live on the other side of The Pond (UK, in particular.) But I might bother you later, after I get the book...
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 17:04:30
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I would welcome any and all questions re: Neverwinter or DMing in general.
Based on what you've just said, the Neverwinter book is probably exactly what you're looking for. I see it as a toolbox for running a detailed campaign set in that city. It doesn't have much in the way of actual scripted battles (an encounter book) but what it does have is a whole slew of NPCs, monsters, and suggestions of adventure hooks relating to basically everything in the book. Sound good?
And who knows? Maybe you'll like the Neverwinter game so much that after you're done with that campaign, the game will expand into the broader Realms as the characters sally forth to continue the threads introduced there. Ultimately, do what is comfortable for you and your game.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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rabindranath72
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 19:16:32
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It doesn't have much in the way of actual scripted battles (an encounter book)
You have just sold a book! I run 4e much in the vein of the older editions (3.0 downward.) If there is a thing I loathe is the delve format  To me it's just filler: I want the freedom to setup a battle as I want, so the pages devoted to detailing an encounter are all wasted pages for me. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 19:38:52
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Originally posted by rabindranath72
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It doesn't have much in the way of actual scripted battles (an encounter book)
You have just sold a book!
Cool. I hope it works out for you (and do let me know!).
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I run 4e much in the vein of the older editions (3.0 downward.) If there is a thing I loathe is the delve format To me it's just filler: I want the freedom to setup a battle as I want, so the pages devoted to detailing an encounter are all wasted pages for me.
That's pretty much my personal preference as well, though I know there are lots of DMs out there who find the Delve format extremely useful (particularly if they don't have much time to set up encounters or don't like improvising things on the fly).
My personal DMing style is mostly improvisational: I steep myself in the lore, take some mental notes about schemes that are going on, have a few printouts of potential monsters, and just roll with it.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Diffan
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 22:41:53
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Well someone on the Wizard boards leaked a part of the Bladesinger class (only level 1 spells, but the whole Heroic tier chart) from the Gen-Con Neverwinter Game Day. I don't know if this is supposed to be common knowledge by now but for Erik's sake I'll make you guys find it on your own.....
As from what read on the Bladesinger......to say the least I'm very suprised (a little saddened at it's role) but otherwise very pleased and should be rolling up a character today  |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 18 Jul 2011 : 16:00:14
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I don't know how legit that leak is, but I'll happily comment on it in general terms.
It's not surprising to me that the CharOpp boards are wary of the bladesinger, because this class (IMO) is much more about flavor and story than raw power. Don't get me wrong, I fully support and appreciate the CharOp boards, but if you're advising people never to play warlocks because they mathematically do slightly less damage than rogues COULD do under such-and-such circumstances, then flavor/story isn't really your cup of tea.
I also don't think you should read too much into the role they chose. The old school Bladesinger didn't fit very well into any of the four roles, because it was very much a generalist: could whip out the damage (striker), could buff up self and others (leader), could wade through melee (defender), and had a good allotment of magic (controller). They just kind of went with "what's the best fit"? (No role has to be set in stone: for instance, the swordmage is a defender that heavily leans to controller with some strikery goodness, particularly if you do Assault Swordmage.)
I think the limited but customizable spell-use also reflects the generalist Bladesinger concept. Your bladesinger should not be competing with wizards for top controller, but having some control, striker, and defendery abilities is both helpful and cool.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 28 Jul 2011 : 17:56:36
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Just stopping in to say the Countdown to Neverwinter is now less than a tenday. If you're coming to GenCon this year, do find me at the convention to get your NCG signed!
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Alaundo
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Posted - 28 Jul 2011 : 18:01:02
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Just stopping in to say the Countdown to Neverwinter is now less than a tenday. If you're coming to GenCon this year, do find me at the convention to get your NCG signed!
Cheers
Well met
OOhh that's great news, Erik. I can't travel over the pond this year to GenCon but I have a scribe heading over so will send him over to you to get a copy. Please sign the book to Alaundo of Candlekeep  |
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 23:56:37
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Well met
So I picked up my copy of the Neverwinter Campaign Setting today from my FLGS. First glances...very nice! Certainly some interesting sections and points that i've read thus far, and am looking forward to delving in for a much deeper read shortly.
Any fellow scribes here picked this up? Any thoughts? |
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Diffan
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Posted - 09 Aug 2011 : 05:20:51
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| It doesn't come out into stores til Aug. 12th but rest assured I'll be picking it up then. |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 09 Aug 2011 : 05:56:24
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I heard it was the 16th?
I hope its the 12th! |
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Posted - 10 Aug 2011 : 09:44:13
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Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 08:58:32
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Originally posted by Brimstone
I heard it was the 16th?
I hope its the 12th!
Well met
My FLGS released it as they are part of the D&D Encounters network, so WotC ensure they have such material asap (I believe the Crown of Neverwinter started Wednesday the 10th). |
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Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 10:50:07
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I'm going to buy it today, I know a secret store
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Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 11:07:36
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Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 21:04:29
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Got mine today! Haven't given it a thorough reading, butthere seems to be plenty of good stuff in there. Lots of detailed lore on the various factions in and around the city. Lots of crunch (especially the character themes, looking interesting). Very nice map!
Dunno, anyone got any questions 'bout it? |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 19:55:22
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Indeed?
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 15 Aug 2011 : 15:41:03
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That's feedback WotC needs to hear. Post on their boards, review the book on Amazon, etc.
If this is something you want, you need to demand more of it!
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 16 Aug 2011 : 16:07:10
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Finally got my copy.
First D&D game book I have bought in 18 months... |
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thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
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Cleric Generic
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Posted - 16 Aug 2011 : 18:13:06
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
That's feedback WotC needs to hear. Post on their boards, review the book on Amazon, etc.
If this is something you want, you need to demand more of it!
Cheers
True, that.
Posted on the boards, Amazon hates me at the mo, any other recommended ways to tell WotC how to get my money? |
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[4e] Neverwinter campaign guide
