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elglanto
Acolyte
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 Posted - 26 Jun 2011 : 11:50:21
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Hello,
I posted it in a other topic but i though it might be better to make a specific topic.
I would have two questions about Sammaster.
1) It is said that he was destroyed in 1285 DR then, he came back again almost one century later as a lich. Why didn't he came back before? He is a lich with a phylactery, he could have came back a long time ago no?
2 )The first time he was slained by Lathander avatar, how did he came back to unlife since he wasn't a lich with a phylactery at that time?
Thanks for your anwsers.
Elglanto.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Jun 2011 : 12:37:21
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Well the quick answer is things happen.
How they happen gets a little harder to explain.
There can be at least two explanations.
1) anon changes based on new material, the dreaded retcon.
2) A deity for some reason allowed or granted lich status for own goals.
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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Jun 2011 : 15:36:48
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1) My thinking is that he did come back sooner. He was just doing a lot of stuff in the background, laying the groundwork for the events of the Rogue Dragon trilogy. He didn't actually reveal himself to anyone until it was time to start the show.
2) He wasn't yet a lich, but he had prepared a phylactery. He had prepared for his demise, and had everything set up for a planned return. If you consult the tome Cult of the Dragon (it's a free download; see the thread Previous Edition Downloads -- Current Links), the details are in there. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 26 Jun 2011 : 16:10:59
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| 1 -- I think a combination of Kentinal and Wooly's answers could be a possibility. Maybe it just hasn't been touched on in canon material, which leaves the door open for suggestions like Wooly's... because the event is so vague anyway. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Jun 2011 : 02:53:26
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quote:
Originally posted by elglanto
1) It is said that he was destroyed in 1285 DR then, he came back again almost one century later as a lich. Why didn't he came back before? He is a lich with a phylactery, he could have came back a long time ago no?
Elglanto.
Preparing everything to reactivate The Rage took years, not to mention convincing indifferent and wary dragons to become bags of bones.
Also, probably he took great pains (and hence, a long time) in trying to make his phylactery as nigh-invincible as possible.
quote:
Originally posted by elglanto
2 )The first time he was slained by Lathander avatar, how did he came back to unlife since he wasn't a lich with a phylactery at that time?
Thanks for your anwsers.
Elglanto.
There are several ways to come back to life, or existence, without resorting to lichdom. He must have found those means, and later transformed himself to a lich. Spoilers from The Shadow Stone: An Imaskaran archwizard nearly died upon the destruction of Imaskar. He wandered in the Plane of Shadow for centuries as a mere sentience, a whisper of existence, till eventually he gathered enough strength to possess a living body. Thus, he was able to return to the Prime Material Plane. Something like that might have happened to Sammaster. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Jun 2011 : 04:29:06
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Originally posted by Dennis
Something like that might have happened to Sammaster.
Um... We have an explicit description of what happened to Sammaster. In fact, he's got one of the most detailed back stories of any Realms NPCs. |
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elglanto
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Jun 2011 : 09:48:43
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| Actually, it happens that the campain i'm writing looks like the "And Dragons Shall Rule" which is on candlekeep. My player are going to be evil and, like in this campain, i wanded them to to help Sammaster resurection. So i was trying to find ways for it. |
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