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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 21:53:08
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I need one of these for my game. Before I just go and slap some Vile damage onto a normal Fire Elemental, I thought I'd ask if there were any precedents. I don't particularly like the way Hellfire is handled in the BoVD or the Fiendish Codexes. Are there any other sources I may be unaware of? Ravenloft, perhaps? If said HfE were powering a forge, do you think adding the Unholy special weapon property to any weapons forged in said forge would be appropriate? Any thoughts?
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Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Edited by - Fellfire on 03 Apr 2011 22:07:12
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 02:44:13
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| I did find reference to a Ravenloft Pyre (Grave, Blood and Mist) Elemental, but I swear there is something I'm forgetting. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Edited by - Fellfire on 04 Apr 2011 03:02:56 |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 02:53:23
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If it's a one-shot creature then you won't break your game by using something strange. A fiend with (hellfire) elementalist classes? A sentient fire elemental with (infernal) warlock classes? A (fire) genasi-tiefling crossbreed? A retrograded 4E Abyssal (fire) genasi?
For the hellfire forge I'd personally disallow unrestricted use of permanent magics (like unholy), any of these:
Impose a limit to how often such items can be forged (only during dark moon, once per live sacrifice fed into the flames, etc)
Impose a limit on use or duration (magical property only effective within 6 mile radius, only works for 666 days, etc)
Impose a maintenance cost on forged items (wielder must burn 6 points of his blood in the forge every day, or must anneal and temper the blade in the forge then quench it in 666 points of LG paladin/victim blood every year, etc)
There is of course Krynn's dragonforge (used to make dragonlances). 2E ToM has the (Dwarven) forge of metal protection. Spelljammer has various furnace (and artifurnace) helms which essentially melt magic items. Molten lava, burning star fragments, dragonflame, fire elementals, or remorhaz digestion might be used to generate extraordinary heat, as could burning all sorts of fantastic woods, oils, alchemical mixtures, etc. Not much else about forges that I know of in D&D lore, though much is said about the properties of various metals/alloys. |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 12:23:25
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| Fellfire, I think there is some info about infernal elementals in the 2e adventure "Paladin in Hell". As far as I remember, however, they are only evil elementals. Is it possible, in 3.5e, to exist a "fiendish elemental"? |
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Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 12:57:13
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| Is it possible? It's already done. It's a certainty. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1607 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 13:11:45
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I've asked about it because in 2e, fiends were creatures from the Outer Planes (linked to the Prime Material through the Astral Plane), and elementals came from the Inner Planes (linked to the Ethereal). So, theoretically there would be no elemental fiends. Paladin in Hell was quite "flexible" or "alternative" regarding those concepts, and had its lot of "exceptions". That's why I asked if such "template combination" was possible in 3.5e.  |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 13:17:42
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| I don't know if it is technically "allowed" by the rules, but I'm doing it. There is inspiration in the corrupted fire spirits (Balrogs) in Middle Earth. I found the Hellstar on the D&D Wiki. Do you happen to have Paladin in Hell? I'm going to scrummage through my tomes tonight and see what I can find, if not I'll just make it up. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Edited by - Fellfire on 05 Apr 2011 03:59:37 |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1607 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 14:50:09
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Do you happen to have Paladin in Hell?
Yes, I have it. However, as far as I remember, the elementals in Hell are only lawful evil elementals, equal to other elementals in all respects. And I'm not sure, but I think there are only evil water elementals there. |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
Edited by - Barastir on 04 Apr 2011 14:51:26 |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 23:32:04
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I have found reference to Fiendish (Earth and Water) Elementals in the Pathfinder setting. Does anybody know if there are any examples to be found in any of their adventures or elsewhere?
I found the Infernal Fire Elemental. This seems an appropriately named site. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 07:18:19
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Aren't demons corrupted elementals in 4e?
You may also want to find out whatever you can about Imix, the Lord of Elemental Evil Fire. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 13:04:44
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Originally posted by Markustay
You may also want to find out whatever you can about Imix, the Lord of Elemental Evil Fire.
I've also forgotten about the "archomentals", I think they are the former "princes of elemental good/evil", reappearing in 2e. Take a look at the Planescape MC 3 (I think). |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 13:59:38
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I have found reference to Fiendish (Earth and Water) Elementals in the Pathfinder setting. Does anybody know if there are any examples to be found in any of their adventures or elsewhere?
The Sandpoint devil has hellfire breath (PF 1), Chortov in What Lies in Dust (PF 27?ish). And the immolation devil in Bestiary 2. No elementals that I know of, only one possessed by a balor. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 04:02:01
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| A bad@$$ pic of a Fire Elemental. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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