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AleksanderTheGreat
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 Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 06:02:41
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Markus implied that you're homosexual and I just wanted to confirm this, so I would not offend you with any stupid remarks.
I don't know what does Aleksander The Great or incubi/succubi have to do with this thread. AND if you don't have an opinion on the topic then why are you even posting in it?
See, posts exactly like this above make me think that your not serious at all. |
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Fellfire
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 06:19:09
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| I don't know much about 1e, but the 2e book Guide to Hell portrayed Asmo as one mean motor-scooter. Based on that admittedly limited knowledge, my money is on Big Red. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 06:21:24
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Okay, you know what? Enough. 
A person's sexual preference, or religious beliefs, or political leanings, or anything else personal like that, IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE REALMS. Those topics have been popping up an awful lot of late, and it's not something I want to see continued.
This is a Forgotten Realms forum, so let's keep the various discussions focused on the setting. |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 06:29:16
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| I said my opinion doesn't really count because I don't know a lot about those two deities. I just felt like piping my two cents in. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 06:38:39
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My real opinion on the matter kinda comes down to: it depends.
I mean, Asmodeus has far stronger magical power (over all...though Bahamut can tailor his spells any way he wants up to 7th level spells) in 1e. Bahamut could bite/claw/claw Asmodeus in one round and breath his disentegration Breath Weapon the next round and game over (even with a save Asmodeus would still be hurting).
Then of course we have Asmodeus which can shoot a "breath weapon" from his Rod of Office...and Asmodeus has hella high Magic Resistance.
I think it would come down to initiative.
Now, starting in 2e on...Asmodeus would have Bahamut's arse in a sling real quick. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 07:04:23
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
I said my opinion doesn't really count because I don't know a lot about those two deities. I just felt like piping my two cents in.
The point, I believe, that Wooly's trying to make, is that you tend to spend a significant amount of your time here alluding to personal aspects of your life.
We don't mind the odd occasional reference or shared tidbit. No virtual community is immune to such sharing between friends. But you're seemly bringing them up in just about every discussion we've had here at Candlekeep recently.
Such conduct makes applying the dictates of the site's Code of Conduct difficult, because while we have to protect the interests of ALL scribes, we also don't want it to appear as though we're slamming one particular scribe because of what he or she has just shared, personally, about him- or herself.
We tread a very fine line, and your near-constant personal commentary is often complicating our Moderating duties.
So please, if you feel the need to share personal stuff, once or twice here and there is fine. Or use the 'Private Message' system to discuss this kind of stuff with your fellow scribes. But just try to limit such talk in our public discussions.
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 07:58:00
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Hmmm...
You know Sage, I wonder sometimes if our own sexual preferences might color our responses. How often do some drool over THO or voice their heated loins over some female realms character...which openly decrees our sexual preference? Yet, a male saying something about incubi is then too much.
I mean no offense, but it may seem a double standard to those who do not feel that they may freely exhibit their own preferences.
I am not one to usually get involved in such matters honestly, but to moderate is obviously a hard job; so perhaps I should not say one way or another...only that I'm unsure of whether it is fully fair.
I honestly would prefer NO SEXUAL REFERENCE in threads unless those threads deal particularly with sex. |
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AleksanderTheGreat
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 08:05:46
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| Yeah, what he said. Lets just keep our RL lifes out of DnD/FR discussions. |
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AleksanderTheGreat
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 08:48:57
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| Some people just forget that this forum is about the Realms and not their personal blogs to be open and have "fun". |
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The Sage
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 17:21:59
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How about this....
To try and stay on-topic and yet try to pull some of the other stupidity into it: Gods do not have sexes, AT ALL. The ones that were mortal (and for all we know, all the ones we 'know' may have been at some point) may have had a sex, but once they ascend they are beings of pure energy, that can take physical form, if they so choose. They can take whatever form they wish - THAT is official canon (both core and FR).
For that reason, and many, MANY others, the entire concept of 'homosexuality' does NOT exist in the Forgotten Realms, at least not in any negative, RW way. Just like multiple-marriages, each deity and their followers have their own views on the subject, and since The Realms never had a monolithic, monotheistic, 'puritan' religion to tell folks what they should be doing, the liberalness in FR has reached a state undreamed of here in the RW.
"To each his own" is not just something folks say in the Realms, its a code they live by. Individual people may be judgmental, on a variety of subjects, but rarely do specific groups have an 'agenda' in this regard.
There are far too many 'real' threats in the Realms for most folks to worry about who's sleeping with whom. It may be the subject of 'idle court gossip', but the common folk are much too busy with just trying to live to be bothered with such nonsense.
Now, to steer this back...
Asmodeus IS the D&D 'Devil'. However, unlike in our RW, he has his work cut out for him. 'Evil' is all about perception. Something is ONLY evil if your Faith tells you it is (funny that, no?) Since many of the 'sins' we modern humans love to go on about don't exist in The Realms, people are NOT being evil, even when 'sinning' by our RW standards (which simply do NOT exist in The Realms). You judge yourself - that's the naked truth. Some of the most famous ancient religions in the world included human sacrifice, and those folks did not think of themselves as 'evil' (although everyone around them probably did). So Asmodeus can only influence people by tricking them into thinking they have 'fallen' - they themselves must think they are 'beyond redemption'. That's the key to his power - YOU give it to him over you.
Bahamut knows this - he knows how the system works. Asmodeus is part of the mechanics of the universe - he is Darwin at his finest. He separates the chaff from the Wheat. If you believe that Asmodeus is Lucifer (I don't), then you have to consider that it was the Supreme Being that tasked him to tempt mortals, prey on their weaknesses, and punish those who were not worthy.
Its all part of 'the plan'.
Bahamut has nothing against Asmodeus, and Asmodeus has nothing against Bahamut. Although very different in alignment, their agendas normally do not cause them to come into confrontation. If anything, Bahamut might appreciate what Asmodeus does - True 'goodness' must be tested all the time. 'Good' could not exist if there were no 'evil' - there would be no standard to judge it against (and the system would collapse). |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 19:27:55
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"Gold could not exist without evil"
Well said MT :) I wish people in the RW would realize that. Was Asmodeus always this "tempter of mortals"? |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 19:39:53
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Rubbish!
Good CAN exist without evil...just as evil can exist without Good.
This dual polarity theory is mistaken; but unfortunately very much evident in our gaming materials.
What is more true is that evil would not be seen as evil if everyone was doing it. Just as Good would not be seen as good if there were nothing to compare it against. Cannibals didn't see eating humans as evil...it was RIGHT AND GOOD. Perception and cultural bias determines what many call "good and evil" in the human psyche.
It doesn't mean they can't be; one without the other...in fact I put forward that nothing is either good or evil; just accepted as ok or not accepted. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 21:09:00
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
"Gold could not exist without evil"
I thought gold could not exist without silver? 
Sorry, had to have a bit of fun with that typo! |
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