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Dennis
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 Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 19:02:33
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I recently finished Test of Metal by Matthew Stover. An enjoyable read indeed. A villain with “manners” is quite interesting. I like the combination of first person and third person points of view; they meld so well that each facet of the plot and character development is solidly drawn. Tezzeret is a hero and villain at the same time... He's really hard to define. As he once said, "I am not a name, and no word truly names me. Who I am is a fluid concept." His most endearing trait is his intellect, something that surprises even the mighty beings. To quote him: [speaking to the haughy and arguably stupid dragon Nicol Bolas] "I know it's a shock [.....] But at your age, you should have learned that many truths we regard as immutable are, in fact, surprisingly context dependent. For example, when I acknowledged earlier that you are the most powerful being in the Multiverse, it would have been more precise to say: in the rest of the Multiverse." |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 20:46:57
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Originally posted by Dennis
I recently finished Test of Metal by Matthew Stover. An enjoyable read indeed. A villain with “manners” is quite interesting. I like the combination of first person and third person points of view; they meld so well that each facet of the plot and character development is solidly drawn. Tezzeret is a hero and villain at the same time... He's really hard to define. As he once said, “I am not a name, and no word truly names me. Who I am is a fluid concept.” His most endearing trait is his intellect, something that surprises even the mighty beings. To quote him: [speaking to the haughy and arguably stupid dragon Nicol Bolas] “I know it’s a shock [.....] But at your age, you should have learned that many truths we regard as immutable are, in fact, surprisingly context dependent. For example, when I acknowledged earlier that you are the most powerful being in the Multiverse, it would have been more precise to say: in the rest of the Multiverse.”
So he paraphrases Obi-Wan Kenobi.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 02:30:44
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
I recently finished Test of Metal by Matthew Stover. An enjoyable read indeed. A villain with “manners” is quite interesting. I like the combination of first person and third person points of view; they meld so well that each facet of the plot and character development is solidly drawn. Tezzeret is a hero and villain at the same time... He's really hard to define. As he once said, “I am not a name, and no word truly names me. Who I am is a fluid concept.” His most endearing trait is his intellect, something that surprises even the mighty beings. To quote him: [speaking to the haughy and arguably stupid dragon Nicol Bolas] “I know it’s a shock [.....] But at your age, you should have learned that many truths we regard as immutable are, in fact, surprisingly context dependent. For example, when I acknowledged earlier that you are the most powerful being in the Multiverse, it would have been more precise to say: in the rest of the Multiverse.”
So he paraphrases Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Well, considering that Stover wrote some of Obi-Wan's best novel-lines in the Revenge of the Sith novelisation, I'm not surprised.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 05:11:36
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
I recently finished Test of Metal by Matthew Stover. An enjoyable read indeed. A villain with “manners” is quite interesting. I like the combination of first person and third person points of view; they meld so well that each facet of the plot and character development is solidly drawn. Tezzeret is a hero and villain at the same time... He's really hard to define. As he once said, “I am not a name, and no word truly names me. Who I am is a fluid concept.” His most endearing trait is his intellect, something that surprises even the mighty beings. To quote him: [speaking to the haughy and arguably stupid dragon Nicol Bolas] “I know it’s a shock [.....] But at your age, you should have learned that many truths we regard as immutable are, in fact, surprisingly context dependent. For example, when I acknowledged earlier that you are the most powerful being in the Multiverse, it would have been more precise to say: in the rest of the Multiverse.”
So he paraphrases Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Well, considering that Stover wrote some of Obi-Wan's best novel-lines in the Revenge of the Sith novelisation, I'm not surprised.
Maybe... But that's Return of the Jedi he's paraphrasing.  |
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The Sage
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 05:50:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
I recently finished Test of Metal by Matthew Stover. An enjoyable read indeed. A villain with “manners” is quite interesting. I like the combination of first person and third person points of view; they meld so well that each facet of the plot and character development is solidly drawn. Tezzeret is a hero and villain at the same time... He's really hard to define. As he once said, “I am not a name, and no word truly names me. Who I am is a fluid concept.” His most endearing trait is his intellect, something that surprises even the mighty beings. To quote him: [speaking to the haughy and arguably stupid dragon Nicol Bolas] “I know it’s a shock [.....] But at your age, you should have learned that many truths we regard as immutable are, in fact, surprisingly context dependent. For example, when I acknowledged earlier that you are the most powerful being in the Multiverse, it would have been more precise to say: in the rest of the Multiverse.”
So he paraphrases Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Well, considering that Stover wrote some of Obi-Wan's best novel-lines in the Revenge of the Sith novelisation, I'm not surprised.
Maybe... But that's Return of the Jedi he's paraphrasing.
True. But Stover's coverage of Obi-Wan in the RotS novelisation is usually among the biggest "points" in favour of the work. It adds degrees of depth to the character [and Anakin as well] that was, unfortunately, somewhat poorly translated in the film. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 11:06:00
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Sorry, Wooly and Sage, you lost me there. Never was a SW reader. But one thing I can guarantee about the book, it's really great. I love Stover's style and "intellectual" musings. All throughout the story, you'd keep on guessing who really has the upper hand, and who really is doing what.
The hero (or villain, depending on how you understand him) is an underdog who rose/ascended not by some accident of birth nor divine intervention, but by sheer intellect alone. Oh, and did I mention there are a couple of hilarious scenes too?
The novel is a stand-alone, but the ending opens a lot of possibilities; one of which is a sequel. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 11:52:05
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Originally posted by Dennis
Sorry, Wooly and Sage, you lost me there. Never was a SW reader.
I've only read a handful of the novels, myself... But I'm referring to the movie.
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LUKE
You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father.
BEN
You father was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I have told you was true... from a certain point of view.
LUKE (turning away, derisive)
A certain point of view!
BEN
Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
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Dennis
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 12:08:37
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I see. Never was a fan of the movie adaptations either. I remember at one point in time my friends almost convinced me to try watching even one. Almost. (And I think Alystra once tried to convince me, too.)
You're right, though. Tezzeret's "speech" sounds like a paraphrase of Ben's. |
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Thieran
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 12:19:25
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Dennis
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 12:28:26
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So the movies are the original medium? And the books are the novelization? Well, can't say I care. |
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 13:56:37
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As "novelisations" were mentioned before, the movies mentioned subsequently could then hardly have been adaptations as well, I guess, but never mind - yes, Star Wars started out as a movie. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 16:59:51
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I am now reading Outfield Menace by Mark A. Roeder. I thoroughly enjoyed Roeder's A Better Place, so I bought all the books in the GY Chronicles. Outfield Menace is set in 1952 Indiana.
Also, I am reading Tanya Huff's The Child of the Grove. I've heard about Huff and read the blurbs of several of her novels. But I thought I should start with her very first book.
The prologue, which is a story of creation, is intriguing, though such kind of creation story (which centers on a Goddess/Mother instead of a God) is not entirely unexpected from a female author. It appears like there are only two wizards in this story. I don't know if I'd like that since I haven't yet reached the part where Crystal was born (I'm still in Chapter 5). But I like how the story is going so far... |
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 19:44:56
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As a longtime friend and fan of Tanya Huff, I think it best to tender a wee bit of advice for Dennis: Tanya writes in a wide variety of styles. Her first is not representative of what she's doing these days.
Tanya has done straight high fantasy, "low fantasy" (of which a standout favourite of mine and Ed's is her novel THE FIRE'S STONE, and you might appreciate the G and L themes), a series of GREAT gritty urban Toronto vampire cop books that got television treatment (Tanya's short story in the recent Baen Books anthology by Flint & Resnick, THE DRAGON DONE IT, is a good introduction to these tales), several humorous modern urban fantasy series . . . and so on. Tanya used to be the manager of Bakka Books in Toronto, North America's oldest sf bookstore (it's now Bakka-Phoenix), and she and her partner Fiona Patton continue to be busy writers these days. Ed always tries to have dinner or lunch or drinks with her when their paths cross at Ad Astra or SFContario or other local cons (and, sadly, at Mike Glicksohn's recent funeral). BTW, Michelle West (who also writes under her maiden name, Michelle Segara) succeeded Tanya as Bakka's manager, though Chris Szego is manager these days...
I still reread THE FIRE'S STONE every few years. The characters are so nicely done.
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Dennis
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 20:43:58
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Indeed I'd appreciate the G-theme. Thanks for the recommendation, THO. I've read a couple of reviews on The Fire's Stone. It looks interesting.
Edit: I just checked my To-Read stacks, and it's actually there. I think I bought it two years ago, together with some of Eddings'. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 24 Jul 2011 : 09:46:18
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I just finished Outfield Menace by Mark A. Roeder. It is an inspiring coming-out story that still rings true today as it did decades ago (when the story happened). It is a fine blend of mystery, romance, and deadly ancient prejudice. With resounding clarity, it brings a positive message for the members of the GLBTQ community, and a friendly reminder to the world at large. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Jul 2011 : 14:22:46
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I am now in Chapter 3 of Gardens of the Moon by Steven Erikson. As I professed before, I'm not a fan of reading a series in order. I first read (some ages ago) House of Chains and Bonehunters, Books 4 and 6 of the Malazan Saga. But to better understand things, I thought I should start from the very beginning, the events detailed in Gardens of the Moon.
Erikson invtented a (not so unique but) fascinating system of magic, though not quite unlike D&D. I'm beginning to like Ganoes, Tattersail, Quick, and Tayschrenn. I also like that display of might (and betrayal) by Tayschrenn in their supposed attack at Moon's Spawn. I don't know, but somehow he reminds me of Ten-Rings (from Steven Schend's Blackstaff Tower), though of course Tayschrenn is far more powerful. Sorry (yes, that's her name) sounds more like a demon child than a necromancer-possessed girl.
What made me wonder is why did the Empress send a High Mage to stage a feint attack at Moon's Spawn just to elimate the remaining Bridgeburners. She could have easily commanded Tayschrenn and maybe one of her Claws to do the job without the stage play. Besides, who would dare defy her?
I might take a break after Chapter 5 and pick up The Fire's Stone by Tanya Huff. |
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Posted - 26 Jul 2011 : 16:01:59
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 26 Jul 2011 : 17:50:33
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I'm currently reading "tracking the Chupacabra by Benjamin Radford, and The Grand Design by Stephen Hawking. Picked them up at the library yesterday, and am already almost finished with the Chupacabra one.
So far, the Chupie book seems disappointing. The author goes to great lengths to debunk most of the accounts of its appearance, and seems to have pinned the "original" and most famous sighting's description as being from the movie Species. I am slightly disappointed. Although I found some of the supposed chupie finds interesting, they all turned out to be dead coyotes, dogs, or raccoons with no hair. (One of them was from the next town over from us, and was in the news just last year!) And apparently, there were no sightings at all before 1995, making it a recent invention. Wow, what a way to deflate people's expectations. I was hoping for something very open-minded and fair, but the author practically lambasts most of the sightings and so-called "killings" as being the work of wild dogs, foxes or coyotes. (While failing to note that there are NO foxes or coyotes in Puerto Rico, the location of the original group of sightings- dogs perhaps, but not on the scale that was discussed in the killings.) Apparently, he also does not believe that dogs or coyotes would be able to "suck the blood of a victim", since their jaws and teeth are not built for sucking- never mind that as puppies, they do just that! Then again, he supplies just enough "science" to "debunk" most of the evidence, while ignoring details that contradict his idea of the truth.
Haven't gotten very far into the Hawking book yet, but it promises to be an interesting read. Deals with cosmic theorys of multiple reality, Intelligent Design, and the inner workings of the multiverse, as an infinite number of universes connected in time. I'll have more on this one as I dig deeper, but I am a fan of Hawking's work, so I doubt I'll be disappointed! |
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DragonReader
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Posted - 27 Jul 2011 : 14:50:47
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Finished "Shadow's Lure" by Jon Sprunk (Great book!).
Next I will read "The Dark Tower - The Gunslinger: The Little Sisters of Eluria" graphic novel... |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 27 Jul 2011 : 15:37:04
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Just finished Phoenix Rising... I quite enjoyed it, and hope we get more books about Agents Books and Braun.
Got Ghost Story yesterday and started it last night. I'm a huge fan of the Dresden Files, and after the way Changes ended, I had to get my hands on Ghost Story as soon as it came out.  |
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Jul 2011 : 16:06:23
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Next I will read "The Dark Tower - The Gunslinger: The Little Sisters of Eluria" graphic novel...
Marvel's Dark Tower series of comic books have been among the most consistent and well-presented titles. I'd consider them required reading for any "Dark Tower" novel fan.
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Dennis
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Posted - 27 Jul 2011 : 16:06:49
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Currently enjoying The Fire's Stone by Tanya Huff. The following premise intrigues me:
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In Aaron's homeland the soil was poor, the growing season short, and the neighbors likely to torch the crops at any real or imagined slight. Every child was another pair of hands and every pair of hands was desperately needed. Same sex pairs produced no children and same sex love went from being impractical, to being a crime, to blasphemy against god-a god Faharra felt held asinine ideas of what constituted blasphemy, and who in their right mind could believe there was only one god anyway?
Blasphemy was punished by fire.
Unfortunately, Aaron's religious instruction had been intense.
Aaron is quite adorable. And Darvish...well, he's kind of a typical noble, with a goodness within...
The twins are clearly twisted and insane. Hope to see more of them...
I'm excited to meet Darvish's future wife, and see how the "love triangle" plays out.
Ischia is an interesting city. Though it reminds me of the world in C.S. Friedman's Coldfire trilogy. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Jul 2011 : 16:09:49
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Just finished Phoenix Rising... I quite enjoyed it, and hope we get more books about Agents Books and Braun.
As do I.
The authors supposedly have two further books coming next year. No word yet on whether they're based in the Phoenix Rising universe.
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Got Ghost Story yesterday and started it last night. I'm a huge fan of the Dresden Files, and after the way Changes ended, I had to get my hands on Ghost Story as soon as it came out.
Here's one of the few times I'll consider actually paying the outrageous AUD price-tag for a hard-cover novel.
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Posted - 27 Jul 2011 : 18:20:02
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Just finished Phoenix Rising... I quite enjoyed it, and hope we get more books about Agents Books and Braun.
Got Ghost Story yesterday and started it last night. I'm a huge fan of the Dresden Files, and after the way Changes ended, I had to get my hands on Ghost Story as soon as it came out.
I started Ghost Story yesterday and got 50 pages into it. Good book so far but I put it down to go play the new Catherine video game that came out. Freaky game. LOL. |
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Posted - 27 Jul 2011 : 22:55:35
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| I took a break from Realms books and read Star Wars: Conviction. I also finally got around to reading Starship Troopers. I bought it at a Borders going out of business several months ago and I finally gave it a shot. I don't think I've ever seen a book and a movie that are so different from one another. I can see why people dislike the movie now. Now, it's back to Realms material for a few books. I just finished Darkvision and I am going to try to read Stardeep before GenCon. After GenCon it will probably be Bury Elminster Deep. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 28 Jul 2011 : 10:34:21
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Recently finished To Have and To Hostage by G.A. Hauser. Never thought I'd pick it up again. I thought I dropped it for good...
Overall, it's a good story. Rich guy got kidnapped by a poor guy and the two fell in love... The book's strength lies in how it unravels the personality of Jarrod, the poor guy. Great resolution to the story, too. Saw it coming, but didn't really mind because it was executed with finesse. Predictability with a dash of ingenuity is still better than mere predictability.
As for the not-so-good points... One, some scenes are way too unlikely to be still within the bounds of reality. Also, Hauser didn't really exploit the bitchiness of Zoe. She would have been a great antagonist had Hauser allotted more screen time for her... And oh, the endearment that the couple Jarrod and Michael used---babe--- always rankles me. It reminds me of Babe the pig. |
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DragonReader
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 04:51:28
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Originally posted by DragonReader
Next I will read "The Dark Tower - The Gunslinger: The Little Sisters of Eluria" graphic novel...
Marvel's Dark Tower series of comic books have been among the most consistent and well-presented titles. I'd consider them required reading for any "Dark Tower" novel fan.
Agreed... |
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DragonReader
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 04:53:02
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Finished "The Dark Tower - The Gunslinger: The Little Sisters of Eluria" graphic novel,
Read "A Caribbean Mystery" by Agatha Christie
and will now read, "Blood of Ambrose" by James Enge |
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 05:16:33
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I've read a quarter of The Cat in the Cradle by Jay Bell. I like how each realm is ruled by an Oligarch who is the master of a certain type of magic (water, fire, air, animal control, teleportation, etc...) Dylan is interesting, albeit sometimes ambivalent, and always displays an irresistible charm; so does (nearly) his talking cat, Kio. I like how their adventure begins, and how they meet Tyjinn. The plot is really engaging...But...alas! There's a particular detail about Tyjinn that I find unbearable. Unfortunate, but there's nothing I could do about it. I did try to swallow the detail (which to others might be a small deal), but I just can't. So, this book gets dumped in my unfinished-and-most-likely-will-never-be-finished stacks. |
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Quale
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 12:07:34
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I usually read more on vacation but A Dance With Dragons was the most disappointing book. Ghost Story by Butcher and Flashback by Dan Simmons were not inspiring either.
Also read Salute the Dark by Tchaikovski (had much more action), Majestrum by Matthew Hughes (detective in Dying Earth), The Last Light of the Sun by Kay and finished Avillion by Holdstock. |
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