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Aryalómë
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 Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 00:49:58
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Just wondering if there is a way to play a a dragon (for me either an amethyst, black, gold, silver, or grwen) in humanoid form. Any sources or home rew?
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 00:58:26
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Song (Were-) and Steel Dragons have a natural shapeshifting ability and seem to prefer a life among humans and demi-humans. In my game I have a Mercury Dragon that masquerades as an elven maiden or sometimes as a Cath-Shee (Elven Cat), but I don't recall off the top of my head if that is something I made up or if they are shapeshifters too. There was another thread about this not too far back, I'll see if I can't find it and link it here.
Dragon Shapeshifting
Also, Deep and Drow (Shadow) Dragons. |
Misanthorpe
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 01:02:52
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Dragon Magazine had a write-up in issue #300, I think it was, for playing dragons in 3.5 ed. Before that, there was the Council of Wyrms book for 2nd ed. The MM and Draconomicon in 3.5 also had rules for dragon PC's, and also Races of the Dragon and Dragon Magic. Don't know if there is anything in 4th. The only real difference for playing one in humanoid form is that there are some adjustments for the form taken- ie, some abilities can't be used (breath weapon, claws or bite attacks (unless the form has one) tail or wing attacks, and any ability that is dependent on the dragon's true form, such as AC or size modifiers. Magical abilities are still intact, I believe, as are spell-casting or other mental abilities.
Edit: Drow and Deep dragons are the same (drow is their usual humanoid form) and song, steel and yes, mercury dragons are included among the natural shape-shifting types. All others must use a polymorph spell. |
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Edited by - Alystra Illianniis on 22 Mar 2011 01:05:49 |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 01:09:46
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For more info on Drow Dragons, or draa'zekyl check this Web Enhancement: City of Wyrmshadows
edit: Oh no, Precious. Deep Dragons do indeed have a Drow form, but Drow Dragons like Patron Grandfather Mauzzkyl Jaezred or Lady Nurvureem, the Dark Lady are a different breed altogether, see the above Web Enhancement. |
Misanthorpe
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 01:31:11
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Perhaps I should be more specific. They are actually the half-dragon offspring of the two races, but they have the blood of deep dragons. Although I believe there are shadow dragons in the mix, as well.
There was a deep dragon in drow form in the first book of the Starlight and Shadows trilogy, named Zz'pzora. She helped Liriel and Fyodor defeat the Dragon's Hoard mercenary band, as well as the deep dragon who was their ally. |
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"Where Science ends, Magic begins" -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491
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Edited by - Alystra Illianniis on 22 Mar 2011 01:36:31 |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 02:05:21
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Fellfire — Dragon Shapeshifting
lol, nifty gimmick Fellfire  ... too bad we don't have metallic colours ... |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 02:12:50
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Oh, but we do, gold for Gildenfire (Mintiper's Chapbook-Part 7) said to disguise himself as a "man in green," and suspected to be the Hierophant Adept Sinklayr Greenstroke, former Grand Druid of the North.
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Misanthorpe
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 02:44:42
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| There are the Deepwyrm Drow detailed HERE at the 'Keep and in Dragon Magic. Although I like the Forestlord Elves better. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 14:30:08
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| Also in Races of the Dragon, there are a few feats (Dragon-Wrought, Dragon Wings, and Improved Dragon Wings) you can take as a kobold that basically turn you into a small dragon that has flight and a breath weapon. The type of dragon you are modeled after can be chosen from dragons found in the Draconomicon, Epic Level Handbook, MM, MM2, Monsters of Faerun, Oriental Adventures, and Sandstorm supplements. |
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Rhewtani
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 19:23:39
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trad - you should add to your signature that you're accessing the boards from a nook and your spelling just ... can't be helped. :)
The questions I'd throw out there are based upon a 1e game that a I was involved in. When they tried converting to 3.5 the player of the "dragon forced into human form" character noticed that he should get the dragon hit die for the age category he was. That rapidly took an already high level character and dropped into a beyond epic category. So, I guess I'm just thinking that it is simply going to be difficult campaign to run.
Also, what happens with XP levels vs. age category? |
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Eldacar
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Posted - 23 Mar 2011 : 12:47:18
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
Just wondering if there is a way to play a a dragon (for me either an amethyst, black, gold, silver, or grwen) in humanoid form. Any sources or home rew?
The easiest way of doing it (in 3.0/3.5 edition, at least) is using the dragon monster class progression in Dragon Magazine. It's less complicated than going through the Draconomicon stuff, I think.
Brass, Bronze, Copper, Gold and Silver dragons are all in #320.
Red, Blue, Green, Black and White are in #332.
Just level in the class like you would any other.
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Also, what happens with XP levels vs. age category?
Draconomicon (pages 141-144, specifically) has rules for it. Basically, at some points, it forces you to take Racial Hit Die. |
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