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Ayrik
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  04:32:56  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for bringing it up, Fellfire ... worth a re-read after so many years.

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Fellfire
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  04:47:15  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"In fact, another of the MtG cards that inspired this den of evil, the Deathmask Nezumi, I have considered making into some type of monstrosity similar to the Quth-Maren from the City of the Spider Queen module. Transformed into hideous undead by having their faces flayed off, and wearing a mempo or noh mask to disguise themselves. What would the effect of this have on a lycanthrope?"

Has anyone ever heard of the mujina or noppera-bo? The translations I'm getting seem to vary. I'm looking for a monster known as the faceless. I'm wondering if there is something I may be able to use besides the name. I'm told there is a monster entry somewhere.

Misanthorpe

Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.

"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises

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Galuf the Dwarf
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  15:47:42  Show Profile Send Galuf the Dwarf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, there is at least the Defacer (an undead creature) in Monster Manual IV.

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Fellfire
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Posted - 02 Apr 2011 :  10:39:32  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So, I have nearly finished the faceless undead I've been working on and I'm getting ready to start another. The Taken. Basically they are trading off pieces of their souls for infernal power. My question is this, are there any rat-like baatezu? I know of the tanari uridezu. Any knowledgable Planescapers out there? Sage, Shemmy? Third party sources are fine, I'm just fishing for ideas.

Misanthorpe

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"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises

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The Sage
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Posted - 02 Apr 2011 :  12:39:52  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
An imp using Alternate Form and assuming a rat-form is about the only thing that immediately comes to mind for rat-like baatezu.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 02 Apr 2011 :  18:29:04  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Faces of Evil states that strong and arrogant baatezu generals often alter the physical form of all their least and lesser troops (a devilish sort of heraldry); rat-themed spinagons and barbazus could exist. Baatezu sometimes mutate in the pits, or are deliberately mutated (in small numbers) in breeding experiments; the physical appearance of such deviant spawn often (but not always) differs from the norm, they are invariable destroyed (because they're weaker, or worse, because they're seen as threats to baatezu order) though they are never wasted and individuals sometimes escape to planar exile. Baatezu might be altered into forms which please those who summon and bind them. They (at least the weaker and stupider types) are also susceptible to being reshaped by evil magics and influences in much the same manner as mortals (ie: Ravenloft's "gifts", etc). The dark of the matter is that baatezu with deviant forms do exist but tend to be written into the dead book real quick unless they have an advantage against others of their kind (even if that advantage is the support of a baatezu, magic, or mortal of more powerful station); those of the lowest stations (who are of no consequence) and of the highest stations (who can do whatever they want) are most likely to differ from the norm since nonconformity among the baatezu ranks brings endless challenges from ambitious peers.

Tanar'ri are highly variable in appearance and capabilities (increasingly so with greater power), the established types are better viewed as guidelines than normatives, it could be said that every single tanar'ri is a deviant. Yugoloths and gehreleths are, as usual, somewhere in the middle; they sometimes experiment with mutant breeds.

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Ye should refer to APPENDIX D: RANDOM GENERATION OF CREATURES FROM THE LOWER PLANES within the 1E DMG; it allows for the Gygaxian creation of unique (or variant) monsters from the lower planes "in but a few minutes". Rat-like characteristics are included.

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Galuf the Dwarf
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 :  04:36:04  Show Profile Send Galuf the Dwarf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Had much success as far as this idea's concerned, Fellfire?

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Fellfire
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 :  04:45:36  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have, Galuf. Nearly finished with the Faceless and the Taken. Thank you for asking. The Insect Mage is next on the list unless I get sidetracked (which happens fairly regularly.)

Misanthorpe

Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.

"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises

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Edited by - Fellfire on 03 Apr 2011 05:10:39
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Galuf the Dwarf
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 :  05:31:14  Show Profile Send Galuf the Dwarf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Happens to the best of us. I know that for a fact.

Galuf's Baldur's Gate NPC stats: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8823
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Galuf's Homebrew Specialty Priest PrCs: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14353
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Ayrik
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 :  06:11:23  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Who? Sidetracked? Where? Me? Huh?

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Fellfire
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Posted - 07 Aug 2011 :  21:56:49  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ha ha! My DM is out of town. I'm finishing up stats on the Faceless (Deathmask Nezumi), Taken (Risen Fiend) and Advanced Plague-Carrier Lifeleech Gulguthydra. Anybody wana see? Any thoughts on this thread from the relative newcomers?

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Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.

"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises

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