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GMWestermeyer
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 Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 23:03:33
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So, I just finsihed Realms of the Elves, very enjoyable. I found Lisa Smedman's "Necessary Sacrifices" particularly moving if a bit heavy handed.
But the first story, "Traitors" really moved me and didn't quite match what i thought i knew of ancient Realms history. It implies a certain source for the Rage of Dragons and I'd like to look up more information on this. Anyone have reading recommendations?
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Wooly Rupert
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Procrastinator Most High
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GMWestermeyer
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 04:56:01
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| Oh, it's a 3e thing then. :( I was worried that would be the case, since I couldn't really find anything on it in my all my 2e books. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 05:56:26
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Originally posted by GMWestermeyer
Oh, it's a 3e thing then. :( I was worried that would be the case, since I couldn't really find anything on it in my all my 2e books.
Well, there have been other Rages before, and during the days of 1e/2e. In 1356 DR, for example. Though it's important to note that the events of the Year of the Worm were characterised as a "Flight of Dragons", not a full-blown Rage. The latter [which forms the basis of the references Wooly and I mentioned] is a Faerūn-wide event; the former is more localised.
'Twas another mentioned in the 2e Running the Realms supplement in the 2e FRCS -- occurring in 1018 DR.
The Grand History of the Realms provides timelines references for past Rages as well. |
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GMWestermeyer
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Posted - 25 Feb 2011 : 05:21:52
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by GMWestermeyer
Oh, it's a 3e thing then. :( I was worried that would be the case, since I couldn't really find anything on it in my all my 2e books.
Well, there have been other Rages before, and during the days of 1e/2e. In 1356 DR, for example. Though it's important to note that the events of the Year of the Worm were characterised as a "Flight of Dragons", not a full-blown Rage. The latter [which forms the basis of the references Wooly and I mentioned] is a Faerūn-wide event; the former is more localised.
'Twas another mentioned in the 2e Running the Realms supplement in the 2e FRCS -- occurring in 1018 DR.
The Grand History of the Realms provides timelines references for past Rages as well.
Oh, I knew that the Rages were part of the Realms from the beginning. But the idea that some meteorite or star somehow causes the rages, and that the rages destroyed the dragon-ruled civilization because even the good dragons turned on their people is what the short story implies, and I hadn't found any references to that in my 1e and 2e material. Admittedly, the search I made was somewhat cursory.
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Feb 2011 : 13:34:46
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| The King Killer Star is referenced in Evermeet: Island of Elves. It's the known trigger of the dragon rages, and when it appears in the sky people know things are about to get bad. (This might have been a nod to the Red Star from Anne McCaffrey's Pern books) But exactly what caused the Rages, and why the King Killer was part of it, was left a big unknown, until 3e's Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy. |
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GMWestermeyer
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Feb 2011 : 15:57:10
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
The King Killer Star is referenced in Evermeet: Island of Elves. It's the known trigger of the dragon rages, and when it appears in the sky people know things are about to get bad. (This might have been a nod to the Red Star from Anne McCaffrey's Pern books) But exactly what caused the Rages, and why the King Killer was part of it, was left a big unknown, until 3e's Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy.
Awesome, thanks! By sheer coincidence I just started rereading Evermeet: Island of the Elves last night.
Hmmm... I wonder if this is related to the Comet K'Thoutek, described in SJR2 Realmspace, which appears every 237 years and hearlds the birth of a powerful individual. It says the first sighting of the star hearlded Elminster's birth and the second the Simbul's birth. But I do not think anyone ever tried to sync things up with SJR2, one of the worse FR & SJ products, IMO.
I'd like to find out more about this king killer star, since it could relate to Spelljammer. :) |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 26 Feb 2011 : 16:42:26
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Originally posted by GMWestermeyer
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
The King Killer Star is referenced in Evermeet: Island of Elves. It's the known trigger of the dragon rages, and when it appears in the sky people know things are about to get bad. (This might have been a nod to the Red Star from Anne McCaffrey's Pern books) But exactly what caused the Rages, and why the King Killer was part of it, was left a big unknown, until 3e's Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy.
Awesome, thanks! By sheer coincidence I just started rereading Evermeet: Island of the Elves last night.
Hmmm... I wonder if this is related to the Comet K'Thoutek, described in SJR2 Realmspace, which appears every 237 years and hearlds the birth of a powerful individual. It says the first sighting of the star hearlded Elminster's birth and the second the Simbul's birth. But I do not think anyone ever tried to sync things up with SJR2, one of the worse FR & SJ products, IMO.
I'd like to find out more about this king killer star, since it could relate to Spelljammer. :)
I love Realmspace as a Spelljammer product. I pretty much ignore it as a Forgotten Realms product. But in either regard, it's still better than the horrible Krynnspace. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Feb 2011 : 19:24:46
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Originally posted by GMWestermeyer
Awesome, thanks! By sheer coincidence I just started rereading Evermeet: Island of the Elves last night.
Hmmm... I wonder if this is related to the Comet K'Thoutek, described in SJR2 Realmspace, which appears every 237 years and hearlds the birth of a powerful individual. It says the first sighting of the star hearlded Elminster's birth and the second the Simbul's birth. But I do not think anyone ever tried to sync things up with SJR2, one of the worse FR & SJ products, IMO.
I'd like to find out more about this king killer star, since it could relate to Spelljammer. :)
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Erdrick Stormedge
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Feb 2011 : 22:33:14
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| Time line sync can be found at spelljammer.org, I believe. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Feb 2011 : 00:45:38
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by GMWestermeyer
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
The King Killer Star is referenced in Evermeet: Island of Elves. It's the known trigger of the dragon rages, and when it appears in the sky people know things are about to get bad. (This might have been a nod to the Red Star from Anne McCaffrey's Pern books) But exactly what caused the Rages, and why the King Killer was part of it, was left a big unknown, until 3e's Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy.
Awesome, thanks! By sheer coincidence I just started rereading Evermeet: Island of the Elves last night.
Hmmm... I wonder if this is related to the Comet K'Thoutek, described in SJR2 Realmspace, which appears every 237 years and hearlds the birth of a powerful individual. It says the first sighting of the star hearlded Elminster's birth and the second the Simbul's birth. But I do not think anyone ever tried to sync things up with SJR2, one of the worse FR & SJ products, IMO.
I'd like to find out more about this king killer star, since it could relate to Spelljammer. :)
I love Realmspace as a Spelljammer product. I pretty much ignore it as a Forgotten Realms product. But in either regard, it's still better than the horrible Krynnspace.
Fortunately, due to the diligent efforts of individuals like Trampas Whiteman, some of the entirely more questionable aspects of Krynnspace have been somewhat rectified for the 3e interpretation of DL, on the dlnexus website. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Feb 2011 : 01:02:52
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by GMWestermeyer
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
The King Killer Star is referenced in Evermeet: Island of Elves. It's the known trigger of the dragon rages, and when it appears in the sky people know things are about to get bad. (This might have been a nod to the Red Star from Anne McCaffrey's Pern books) But exactly what caused the Rages, and why the King Killer was part of it, was left a big unknown, until 3e's Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy.
Awesome, thanks! By sheer coincidence I just started rereading Evermeet: Island of the Elves last night.
Hmmm... I wonder if this is related to the Comet K'Thoutek, described in SJR2 Realmspace, which appears every 237 years and hearlds the birth of a powerful individual. It says the first sighting of the star hearlded Elminster's birth and the second the Simbul's birth. But I do not think anyone ever tried to sync things up with SJR2, one of the worse FR & SJ products, IMO.
I'd like to find out more about this king killer star, since it could relate to Spelljammer. :)
I love Realmspace as a Spelljammer product. I pretty much ignore it as a Forgotten Realms product. But in either regard, it's still better than the horrible Krynnspace.
Fortunately, due to the diligent efforts of individuals like Trampas Whiteman, some of the entirely more questionable aspects of Krynnspace have been somewhat rectified for the 3e interpretation of DL, on the dlnexus website.
Did they fix Little Biggnome? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Feb 2011 : 13:51:09
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by GMWestermeyer
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
The King Killer Star is referenced in Evermeet: Island of Elves. It's the known trigger of the dragon rages, and when it appears in the sky people know things are about to get bad. (This might have been a nod to the Red Star from Anne McCaffrey's Pern books) But exactly what caused the Rages, and why the King Killer was part of it, was left a big unknown, until 3e's Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy.
Awesome, thanks! By sheer coincidence I just started rereading Evermeet: Island of the Elves last night.
Hmmm... I wonder if this is related to the Comet K'Thoutek, described in SJR2 Realmspace, which appears every 237 years and hearlds the birth of a powerful individual. It says the first sighting of the star hearlded Elminster's birth and the second the Simbul's birth. But I do not think anyone ever tried to sync things up with SJR2, one of the worse FR & SJ products, IMO.
I'd like to find out more about this king killer star, since it could relate to Spelljammer. :)
I love Realmspace as a Spelljammer product. I pretty much ignore it as a Forgotten Realms product. But in either regard, it's still better than the horrible Krynnspace.
Fortunately, due to the diligent efforts of individuals like Trampas Whiteman, some of the entirely more questionable aspects of Krynnspace have been somewhat rectified for the 3e interpretation of DL, on the dlnexus website.
Did they fix Little Biggnome?
That depends on what you mean by "fix..." They didn't accept my recommendation, mind you.  |
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GMWestermeyer
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 06:20:26
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Originally posted by Erdrick Stormedge
Time line sync can be found at spelljammer.org, I believe.
Yes, I know. Those are my work. I meant, I never bothered to sync up Elminster's actual birth year, and the Simbul's actual birth year, with the comet's periodic returns. Mostly because Realmspace was written when thier true age and backgrounds was in a state of flux (Elminster was only 500 or so in the original FR material).
I might try to do that now, I'm prepping a second version of that Spelljammer chronology. :)
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 20:56:41
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No, Elminster's age has never changed in the ORIGINAL FR material. As in, he was always born in 261 DR in Ed's campaign. (Two of the Knights learned this, but didn't at first believe it, in 1982 in our Realmsplay. Which is three years after the Realms first appeared in the pages of DRAGON, but five years before the appearance of the Old Gray Box.)
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 21:13:36
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| Sounds like there's a story behind that discovery, THO. Can you share? Please? |
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GMWestermeyer
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Posted - 10 Mar 2011 : 00:29:01
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
No, Elminster's age has never changed in the ORIGINAL FR material. As in, he was always born in 261 DR in Ed's campaign. (Two of the Knights learned this, but didn't at first believe it, in 1982 in our Realmsplay. Which is three years after the Realms first appeared in the pages of DRAGON, but five years before the appearance of the Old Gray Box.)
love,
THO
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