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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 03:37:29
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I'm working on crossing some of the things off of my list, and this one has been nagging me. I'm working on a family of elves that have inter-bred with sylph. Do you think I should just make an Air Genasi-Elf crossbreed? I was thinking about the sylph and they seem to me to be what I might call an elemental fey. Both Sylph and Neirids seem to have a lot in common with Nymphs. Thoughts?
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Misanthorpe
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Edited by - Fellfire on 21 Feb 2011 05:30:17
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Alystra Illianniis
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 05:26:38
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| The 2e Sylph are in fact Elemental-kin, I theorize that they are fey that migrated to the Elemental Planes. They do possess invisibility and while this is thematically appropriate,I think, for an Air Elemental, it is also a hallmark of the fey. They also have an innate levitation and their wings are used solely for propulsion. I had thought to give the Sylphblood elves similar, limited abilities. I had hoped both you and Markus might chime in on the subject since both of you appear to be well versed in fey-lore. |
Misanthorpe
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 07:56:37
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| Actually, I'm more versed in RW fey folklore and FR elf lore, but thanks for asking. I didn't remember what the 2nd ed MM sylphs abilities were (my books are mostly in storage for the past year or so) but that sounds familiar now that you mention it. Maybe those sylph-blood elves have really pale hair and skin (maybe with a slight blue tint), blue or pale gray eyes, perhaps a sort of soft, "airy" sound to their voices. Maybe there would be a slight breeze wherever they go. Or perhaps a sound like bees buzzing. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 05:33:06
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| In fact, it would surprise me if the fey, being a curious and magical race, did not travel to and have dealings with the Inner Planes. Is there any mention of this, perhaps in Planescape? Are there any fey found in Sigil or elsewhere? |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 05:59:52
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Originally posted by Fellfire
In fact, it would surprise me if the fey, being a curious and magical race, did not travel to and have dealings with the Inner Planes. Is there any mention of this, perhaps in Planescape? Are there any fey found in Sigil or elsewhere?
Fey have been found in [and/or have visited] the City of Doors. Are you looking for specific references [which I can provide], or just general confirmation? |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 06:03:09
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Oh Yes, specifics would be great! Especially if they involve fey/elemental hybrids (but anything will do). I believe I'm going to use that for the Sylph. Also, I've been looking through the archives and found some good links to PS lore, much of it your handiwork. Where can I find "Lightning Genies?"
edit: For that matter, where can I find info on all the quasi/para-elemental genie? I've seen the Quorroshi (Ice Genie) in Frostburn, but can't recall any others. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 06:41:59
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| I mean Nymph's are said to be the most stunningly beautiful creatures to be found. Who or what wouldn't want to hook up with one?!? I surmise that Sylph and Nereids and others, perhaps, are the offspring of pairings with Genie-kind. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 11:07:12
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The fey prefer an environment where the elements are more in balance, elementals are not that interesting to them socially, except for the djinni and marids, also dao are known to enslave fey. Fey are capable of merging with the elements of nature, but the Prime is attractive to them, or the ethereal where the elements are not yet formed.
Planescape mentions fey inhabiting the inner planes, this is from my notes on the fey realms
Air: pegasi, sylphs, atomies, pixies, sprites, nyth
Earth: pech, gnomes, mara, glitterhaunt, oread, malgoren, possibly dharum suhn, galeb duhr and thomil, avariel (the Aviary)
Fire: caliento, maybe azers
Water: undines, nereids, selkies, vodyanoi, nuchlavis, ocean strider, nixies (City of Glass), possibly tritons
Negative: nightshade (wood wose), undead fey like banshees, dullahan, ker, wyrd, odem etc.
Ice: frost, uldras, winterling, frostwind virago, rimefire eidolon, rusalka, hoary hunter, hoarfroster, rime sprite, wendigo, yuki-on-na, probably immoths
Positive: soulspark
Ooze: bog imp, usunag, bile wrapped in beauty
Mineral: pech, gnomes, malgoren
Radiance: scile
Lightning: storm riders
Salt: gnomes (mines)
Ash: cinderspawn
Dust: ruin chanter |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 18:26:07
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I really can't add much to Quale's excellent (as always) research.
The way I picture Fey is that they are actually spirits that have to bind themselves to physical material to take physical form (or an energy form, in cases like the Will-O-Wisp).
Ergo, whilst most Fey prefer the variety found on the (Prime) Material Plane - where fey link themselves to everything from Earthnodes and trees to lakes and rivers and even waterfalls - some have developed an affinity to a particular element or energy type*, and that is how we get those 'oddballs' the live outside the Prime (or Feywyld - where nearly EVERY conceivable energy and element can be found).
I'd also lump the Mephits into that, Quale - all of them. They make perfect 'Elemental Fey', IMHO. I consider them a type of Imp, along with others that have bound themselves to particular planes, like certain familiars (Quasits & Cherubim, and all the ones from the Mystara setting) and Gen (those imps that are familiars to Sha'ir).
Although I am not sure how to define such a broad classification as 'Imp'; it seems to overlap with the Fey 'Urchin' group (all the Brownie-like ones, including Gnomes). I feel they are related, but I'm not sure if I want to say urchins are Imps, or Imps are urchins (there is a difference). If urchin were an indigenous lifeform from the Feywyld, they they could possibly be that Planes Imp.
I had more here, but it was better off in Quale's Fey thread, me thinks.
*Energy and Elements are closely related anyway; for each of the 5 elements (including Wood/Alloy), we have a corresponding energy type. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 20:37:21
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Originally posted by Markustay
I'd also lump the Mephits into that, Quale - all of them. They make perfect 'Elemental Fey', IMHO. I consider them a type of Imp, along with others that have bound themselves to particular planes, like certain familiars (Quasits & Cherubim, and all the ones from the Mystara setting) and Gen (those imps that are familiars to Sha'ir).
Forgot to include them cause they are creations of the powers (in Planescape), that doesn't fit with the fey origins in my world, for someone else's it's possible. Also considering their population in the Inner planes, I picked they're native and set them apart from the imps, likewise with the genie-kind. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 22:05:11
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Didn't know that about the Mephits - most of my Planer lore comes from non-PS sources.
Where can that be found? In the PS-specific MM's? 
BTW, thanks for pointing-out the old Immortals rules for Planer critters - aside from the 2e Mystara sources (when they attempted to bring the OD&D players into the AD&D fold), I am always forgetting about all that old-school goodness.  |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 23:26:05
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Yes, PSMC 1 says they are messengers for evil powers (gods or what, not sure), they are also almost never mentioned together with other fey, always with other types of creatures. When I changed the planes I wanted three standard groups (genies, elementals, mephits, Rule of Three) and at the time new Golarion CS had some new mephit empires, I went with that, not that it's a big change like usual.
The immortals box has a couple interesting ideas, e.g. monsters of pure thought, which are very rare in other manuals. I don't care about the rules there. Maybe you can use some of that system (temporal, emyreal, eternal, hierarch ...) for your level 100. If you become a hierarch twice you become a Great Old One, lol. And it has the Dimension of Myth, that's almost what my homebrew world is. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Feb 2011 : 00:50:13
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Fascinating, Gentlemen. Thank you. I never considered some creatures on that list fey. I especially like the bit about the Mephits and the Rule of Three. I'm going to have to rethink some of those monsters.
edit: BTW, I've been doing some digging around the SRD. The para/quasi elemental planes never had genie detailed for them, did they? I could've sworn I remembered seeing them somewhere in 2nd ed. Just the Quorrosh (Ice) and the Khayal (Shadow) from ToM, 3rd ed. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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15724 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2011 : 04:32:44
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Genasi aren't necessarily the offspring of Genies, although those are the most common (especially in the Lands of Fate). A Genasi merely needs one parent to have been from an Elemental Plane.
Ergo, it is possible to have a Mephit/Kobold Genasi. You know what they say, if the Meph-its, wear it. 
'Gen' (or Dgen) is obviously some planer prefix denoting a creature of elemental origins.
I don't even want to speculate on the 'asi' part.  |
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Fey on the Inner Planes/Sylphandrii
