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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 11 Feb 2011 : 16:40:07
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Very intriguing group of players in the realms. These dudes are ballers, controlling vast kingdoms, kidnapping Arch mages like Halaster and taking their knowledge.
What are these guys up to nowadays? Also I sometimes wonder if they have some sort of relationship with Larloch? Perhaps they really are under his control? Perhaps he is impersonating a member?
I just cant see Larloch letting a powerful group of Liches run around manipulating politics and gathering power in the Realms without his permission.
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 : 16:53:50
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The majority of their power is based in Calimshan, but yeah they are quite powerful. I remember Shyressa had a servitor vampire in possesion of one of the Daggers of Ochir Naal (sp?) in Undermountain after their big kidnapping of Halaster...
I too wonder what they are up to these days? How did the spellplague affect them? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 : 16:58:48
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I just cant see Larloch letting a powerful group of Liches run around manipulating politics and gathering power in the Realms without his permission.
Unless what they're doing is beneath his attention...  |
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Knight of the Gate
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 : 17:36:44
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by jordanz
I just cant see Larloch letting a powerful group of Liches run around manipulating politics and gathering power in the Realms without his permission.
Unless what they're doing is beneath his attention...
That's actually the likely explanation; most of what they do is to gather temporal (mostly political) power. Larloch has been there, done that, and doesn't care what shadowy figure lurks behind the thrones of Faerun. Then again, I've always run Larloch in particular (and other ancient evil archmagi in general) as having a very territorial mindset; Stay off my turf, and I could care less what you do. Stray into my territory, however, and no-one will find your phylactery. Either way, I can't imagine that he'd much care what they do; though I bet he sat up and took notice when they nabbed Halaster. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 : 17:41:45
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| Yeah, I'd say not so much beneath his attention as outside of it. And they are active in the late 15th century, by the way, according to the FRCG |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 : 17:45:39
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Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by jordanz
I just cant see Larloch letting a powerful group of Liches run around manipulating politics and gathering power in the Realms without his permission.
Unless what they're doing is beneath his attention...
That's actually the likely explanation; most of what they do is to gather temporal (mostly political) power. Larloch has been there, done that, and doesn't care what shadowy figure lurks behind the thrones of Faerun. Then again, I've always run Larloch in particular (and other ancient evil archmagi in general) as having a very territorial mindset; Stay off my turf, and I could care less what you do. Stray into my territory, however, and no-one will find your phylactery. Either way, I can't imagine that he'd much care what they do; though I bet he sat up and took notice when they nabbed Halaster.
Yes but I don't believe their motivations are purely political. They are after raw POWER as well. Collecting artifacts and kidnapping one of the most powerful arch mages in the realms tells me that they mean business.
Larloch is top of the food chain but it's not like he is a God, someone who could do that to Halaster might be a threat down the line , even to someone as powerful as him.... |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 : 18:01:47
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Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe
Yeah, I'd say not so much beneath his attention as outside of it. And they are active in the late 15th century, by the way, according to the FRCG
Ah yes I now recall reading a tidbit about them in there (my memory banks are cluttered and the book is not with me). |
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Knight of the Gate
Senior Scribe
USA
624 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2011 : 18:05:12
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Originally posted by jordanz
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Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by jordanz
I just cant see Larloch letting a powerful group of Liches run around manipulating politics and gathering power in the Realms without his permission.
Unless what they're doing is beneath his attention...
That's actually the likely explanation; most of what they do is to gather temporal (mostly political) power. Larloch has been there, done that, and doesn't care what shadowy figure lurks behind the thrones of Faerun. Then again, I've always run Larloch in particular (and other ancient evil archmagi in general) as having a very territorial mindset; Stay off my turf, and I could care less what you do. Stray into my territory, however, and no-one will find your phylactery. Either way, I can't imagine that he'd much care what they do; though I bet he sat up and took notice when they nabbed Halaster.
Yes but I don't believe their motivations are purely political. They are after raw POWER as well. Collecting artifacts and kidnapping one of the most powerful arch mages in the realms tells me that they mean business.
Larloch is top of the food chain but it's not like he is a God, someone who could do that to Halaster might be a threat down the line , even to someone as powerful as him....
I don't know if he's the 'top' of anything but his own personal affairs, but that's beside the point. What I (and I would guess Christopher and Wooly, but I won't speak for the August Hamster and Author, respectively) were getting at is this: Larloch doesn't go looking for fights, which is why he's lived to such a ripe old age. He is primarily concerned with his ongoing research and maintaining a level of security that allows him to engage in that research uninterrupted. So long as the TR doesn't take a shot at him or his, I doubt he cares what they do, but I also agree (as I said above) that their abduction of Halaster probably saw to it that he's keeping tabs on them. Larloch has been compared to Batman in this regard; he always has a plan.
Back to the original topic, the first part of the question depends upon what you mean by 'nowadays'- not all scribes are playing in the same decade (or even century), so it's a good idea to clarify!
As to the question of whether Larloch is personally impersonating a member of the Rune, I would guess 'no', just because he *is* a busy, busy corpse. However, has he infiltrated the group with one or more of his servitor liches? I would not be the tiniest bit surprised; in fact, I'd be more shocked if he hadn't. Again, I can see him having an interest *in* them, but not being terribly interested *by* them, if I make my point. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 : 18:55:14
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| For all we know, he's been manipulating one or more members of the Rune for centuries, towards ends only he understands. The normal rules simply don't apply to Larloch. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2011 : 19:12:41
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| Is there a writeup anywhere around here on the various sources for Larloch lore? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 00:28:49
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Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe
Is there a writeup anywhere around here on the various sources for Larloch lore?
Just perform a search here at Candlekeep. Myself, and a number of other scribes, have discussed Larloch and his referenced appearances many times before. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 00:31:39
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Originally posted by jordanz
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Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by jordanz
I just cant see Larloch letting a powerful group of Liches run around manipulating politics and gathering power in the Realms without his permission.
Unless what they're doing is beneath his attention...
That's actually the likely explanation; most of what they do is to gather temporal (mostly political) power. Larloch has been there, done that, and doesn't care what shadowy figure lurks behind the thrones of Faerun. Then again, I've always run Larloch in particular (and other ancient evil archmagi in general) as having a very territorial mindset; Stay off my turf, and I could care less what you do. Stray into my territory, however, and no-one will find your phylactery. Either way, I can't imagine that he'd much care what they do; though I bet he sat up and took notice when they nabbed Halaster.
Yes but I don't believe their motivations are purely political. They are after raw POWER as well. Collecting artifacts and kidnapping one of the most powerful arch mages in the realms tells me that they mean business.
Larloch is top of the food chain but it's not like he is a God, someone who could do that to Halaster might be a threat down the line , even to someone as powerful as him....
Of course, you're assuming that the activities of the Twisted Rune aren't part of Larloch's grand schemes.
Remember, Ed has said in the past, that most inhabitants of the Realms -- including the Chosen -- can't easily fathom Larloch's most deepest plots. For all we know, the Twisted Rune are dancing to whims that only the great lich himself, can dictate. |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 01:52:58
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I agree with the fuzzy and the sagely one. He plants ideas in his head,
get their plans and slightly tweak them to include his own,
takes their spells and stuff on occasion. They just don't
have a clue. (Maybe he allready has cast spells and their
soul recepticles that they know nothing about.) |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 06:22:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by jordanz
I just cant see Larloch letting a powerful group of Liches run around manipulating politics and gathering power in the Realms without his permission.
Unless what they're doing is beneath his attention...
Or unless he controls them indirectly. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 14:39:30
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by jordanz
I just cant see Larloch letting a powerful group of Liches run around manipulating politics and gathering power in the Realms without his permission.
Unless what they're doing is beneath his attention...
Or unless he controls them indirectly.
As I later implied.  |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 12:02:07
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I find it boring that all roads lead to Larloch.
Think their secret goals are revealed in the name ''Twisted Rune'', from what we discussed about rune magic being a way the Primes capture fey or
other upper planar magic. Starts with Shoon's experiments on unicorns. |
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The mysterious Twisted Rune
