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Dennis
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 Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 10:52:46
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 13:48:43
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Spoilers for Shadowrealm - scroll over to read
If I recall correctly (and it's been a long time so I might not) Mask was absorbed by Shar at the end of that novel, giving up some of his divinity in payment of some unexplained debt. He was called her son and also her herald. So it's implied that he has been working for her all along. It's quite possible that she and Cyric got their ideas directly from Mask, even more so after she "absorbed" him, so Shar didn't even have to be listening in on any conversations.
However, some of Masks divinity also went to reside in Riven, Prince Rivalen, and Erevis Cale - which subsequently ended up residing in Mephistopheles. So, much like Mystra, he left parts of himself lying about the Realms. Also, it is mentioned that he makes certain Cale's son is born safely after the Spellplague. Why would the god of intrigue do that unless it benefited him in some way? There is the hint that he liked Cale, but there is also the simple fact that he used Cale all the time. His return is prophesied at the end by Riven, as well.
Now, isn't it possible that the god of magic and the god of intrigue worked together to somehow "reboot" magic, as you all put it, and to get rid of their two biggest rivals at the same time?
Personally, I think that by the end we will discover that Mask and Mystra did end up working together after all, just not in the murder of Cyric. I think Mystra is going to manage to subsume Shar, thus controlling the Weave and Shadowweave, and Mask is going to take over Cyric's portfolio, gaining back his own intrigue, as well.
[Forgive me if I’m not making much sense - I'm on a lot of medicine at the moment  ]
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He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 14:59:22
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I personally favor Mask being behind the whole thing, myself, but not in the fashion you envision.
Besides, Mask is not the god of intrigue -- he lost that position to Cyric. |
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Arioch
Learned Scribe
Italy
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 15:01:54
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Which is your idea Wooly? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 15:12:39
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| In the last chapter of Shadowrealm, it was mentioned "He (Mask) felt her cold hands on him, felt the spark of divinity within him answer to its original owner's touch," AND "In the millennia in which he had been worshiped the faith of his followers had made him something greater than that which he had initially stolen from her." Is this something new---that Mask stole a part of Shar's divinity? Or had this been mentioned in previous novels or sourcebooks? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 15:58:10
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Originally posted by Arioch
Which is your idea Wooly?
That the assassination of Mystra was engineered by Mask, so that he could reclaim Intrigue. There's more to it than that, of course, my full idea (which I really need to outline) is alternative take on her death that also include the creation of a new goddess of magic. |
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Arioch
Learned Scribe
Italy
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 16:06:39
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Arioch
Which is your idea Wooly?
That the assassination of Mystra was engineered by Mask, so that he could reclaim Intrigue. There's more to it than that, of course, my full idea (which I really need to outline) is alternative take on her death that also include the creation of a new goddess of magic.
Thanks for the answer! Looking forward to your outline |
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 16:23:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I personally favor Mask being behind the whole thing, myself, but not in the fashion you envision.
Besides, Mask is not the god of intrigue -- he lost that position to Cyric.
I realize he lost Intrigue to Cyric - that's why I said he'd get it back. I know I referred to him as the god of Intrigue, and I still think he is, despite the passing title. You don't stop being who and what you are just because someone else picked up the portfolio. He'll get it back 
[EDIT] I didn't want to make another post simply to say I concede the point Wooly |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 16:43:19
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Originally posted by Brynweir
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I personally favor Mask being behind the whole thing, myself, but not in the fashion you envision.
Besides, Mask is not the god of intrigue -- he lost that position to Cyric.
I realize he lost Intrigue to Cyric - that's why I said he'd get it back. I know I referred to him as the god of Intrigue, and I still think he is, despite the passing title. You don't stop being who and what you are just because someone else picked up the portfolio. He'll get it back
Well, my point was that you said Mystra was teaming up with the god of intrigue against a hated foe. The reality is that the god of intrigue is that hated foe. Mask certainly wants it back, and is in my opinion a better holder of the portfolio, but it's simply not accurate to call anyone the god of something that they no longer hold. |
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Asharak
Learned Scribe
France
270 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 20:22:44
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And if Leira is not dead...
She just give the illusion...
In reality she work with ... Mask... perhaps...  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 00:38:34
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Originally posted by Asharak
And if Leira is not dead...
She just give the illusion...
In reality she work with ... Mask... perhaps...
Heh.
I've been working on a theory that builds on some hypothetical mental meanderings between George and Steven in '05, that basically posited the idea that Leira was still around and secretly allied with Mask. Their aim: to steal control of the Shadow Weave from Shar who they've been running as their dupe for a while now.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 00:51:33
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| I know most Red Wizards cared not about the gods. But in the long and bloody history of Thay, was there ever a time when Leira became the patron deity of the school of Illusion? |
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 07:38:00
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| I would want Mystra to be reborn as Midnight who is now just a lesser goddess of good magic. But I don't think anything like that will happen. She is just dead :- ( |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 23:14:38
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| I don't think making Mystra a lesser god will work out fine. If that's the case, Shar would have easily killed her---again. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 00:22:56
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
I would want Mystra to be reborn as Midnight who is now just a lesser goddess of good magic. But I don't think anything like that will happen. She is just dead :- (
Given how important magic is to the Realms, I can't really see that working. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 00:32:02
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Indeed, even in other settings, a god or goddess of magic always belongs to the Greater Powers, at least in all those I've read so far... |
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Arioch
Learned Scribe
Italy
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Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 11:13:58
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Well... the idea of a "mortal" version of Mystra, (Midnight or another incarnation), wandering in the Realms, fugitive while trying to regain her lost portfolio can be quite appealing for me.
(Considering maybe that her former essence is split into different parts (some with her chosen, some inside artefact/places, some with Selune, some even inside Shar...) and that those parts maybe are gaining a sort of sentience of their own)
Ok... ok, I stop it... making it too much complicated! |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 26 Jan 2011 : 23:43:03
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I consider Mask a 'late bloomer', and his importance to the Realms is yet to be revealed. (IMHO).
If Mystra is the child of Selune and the awareness of the Weave, then......
I think all of it is part of Ed's original 'backdrop plot', and hidden deep within Realms lore, but I think the whole 'Light vs Dark' thing was there, right from the beginning. To what extent the designers have used that or went in unexpected directions would be pure speculation.
I do believe it was never meant to be so "in your face" as they have made it, with the Spellplague and what-not. I feel the Realms were meant to be subtler then that. |
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Rhewtani
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Posted - 27 Jan 2011 : 17:52:14
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| Midnight and Myrjala running around, at that. |
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The Genesis of Shar’s plot to slay Mystra.
