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Arielis
Acolyte
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 Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 19:16:11
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But the fame for football players/movie stars/singers/etc probably also result in free drugs, booze, sex, and other free items.
I'm going to assume that Forgotten Realms authors don't get this 'benefit'. So I have to imagine that it would suck a little bit more to get those kind of twisted analysis being done on you without all the cool perks.
But at least you know that FR authors are really doing it because of the passion they feel! |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 19:25:54
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Well, yeah. My OP was more about pointing out that FR authors put up with a lot of rude accusations. While nobody attacks George Lucas with overanalyzed claims that lightsabers and wookies are phallic symbols representing his deepset Freudian sexual perversions, or that Yoda is his way of compensating for other deficiencies, etc.
Ed's sexual activities and preferences are just nobody else's business. Especially in the neutered PG-13 Forgotten Realms. I understand (intellectually) why people fixate on it. I don't understand why the authors really put up with it. (Although, perhaps in Ed's case it's a variation of "sex sells" or he just likes to brag or keep people off balance. Just speculation on my part.) |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 19:39:21
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Originally posted by Arik
Well, yeah. My OP was more about pointing out that FR authors put up with a lot of rude accusations. While nobody attacks George Lucas with overanalyzed claims that lightsabers and wookies are phallic symbols representing his deepset Freudian sexual perversions, or that Yoda is his way of compensating for other deficiencies, etc.
Oh sure they do, and it's just as bad:
http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/George_Lucas/
http://www.zeek.net/film_05063.shtml
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/154398/how_to_read_george_lucas_mind.html
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Ed's sexual activities and preferences are just nobody else's business. Especially in the neutered PG-13 Forgotten Realms. I understand (intellectually) why people fixate on it. I don't understand why the authors really put up with it. (Although, perhaps in Ed's case it's a variation of "sex sells" or he just likes to brag or keep people off balance. Just speculation on my part.)
I agree, Ed's personal life is his own business.
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Arielis
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 20:51:25
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That second link was ridiculously hilarious!
@Arik
You're right. Sorry I went off topic. But without a doubt, I'd imagine that most of the authors don't really get much of a choice. They could choose to shut themselves away from their fans to avoid putting up with it, but then it's the fans that help keep their books successful.
I think it's a kind of symbiotic relationship. |
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Lady Fellshot
Senior Scribe
USA
379 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 23:32:51
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I find it somewhat funny that we're using D&D/Realms based fan fiction as an example here. Since it is a shared universe or setting by definition there's more potential leeway for amateur authors because there has to be leeway for the gamers to do their thing. D&D based fan fiction actually falls in a nebulous grey area in the division between fanficcer and original writer, because the settings are designed with the intention of being open for fan modification.
That vast swaths of amateurs prefer to do certain things but not others in a shared universe is a different issue entirely. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 04 Jan 2011 : 00:01:05
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I disagree, Fellshot. Fanfic authors are constrained by the requirement of maintaining comprehensive consistency in all setting elements, timelines, plots, etc. Even the most minor inconsistencies and errors tend to draw a lot of criticism, I'd suspect the editors catch most of these, but I wouldn't be surprised if D&D authors spend a lot of time consulting with each other, reading obsolete sourcebooks, and sneaking around the internet to help iron out all the trivial problems. Just speculating, since I don't actually know how Wizbro really operates.
I think it's not unreasonable to assume D&D geeks, especially the lifers, are prone to dissect every minute detail - partly to "extract" or explain the lore in D&D gaming terms, partly because it's the sort of semi-obsessive behaviour which characterizes the (ISTJ) personality types which tend to be most strongly attracted/attached to RPG "simulations". Geeks are fanatics, easily demonstrated by allowing one to expound endlessly upon his area of expertise. 
I suppose many of the authors share these same geek/fanatic characteristics, thus explaining why they choose to continue writing FR instead of doing other stuff. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jan 2011 : 00:27:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Arielis
That second link was ridiculously hilarious!
@Arik
You're right. Sorry I went off topic. But without a doubt, I'd imagine that most of the authors don't really get much of a choice. They could choose to shut themselves away from their fans to avoid putting up with it, but then it's the fans that help keep their books successful.
I think it's a kind of symbiotic relationship.
Indeed. As I mentioned, they have but little choice---that is, if they wish to continue doing their craft and get compensated for it. |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Jan 2011 : 02:01:17
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Question Friend Eric,
Have any of your female fans tried to seduce you?
Maybe some are in it for the hot chicks! |
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Lady Fellshot
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Jan 2011 : 02:31:52
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Originally posted by Arik
I disagree, Fellshot. Fanfic authors are constrained by the requirement of maintaining comprehensive consistency in all setting elements, timelines, plots, etc.
Does this take into account fan scribbles that were once consistent with canon but had to adopt the AU tag because the canon changed on them? There are quite a few "Drizzt had kids with Catti" stories that came out well before that particular plot bunny was killed off in canon. Then there's all the stuff that suddenly changed with the Spellplague.
I think it's a little silly to denigrate non-insiders for not being able to see into the future, especially when one's canon seems to be pretty fluid at times. Or when something completely unexpected pops up.
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Even the most minor inconsistencies and errors tend to draw a lot of criticism, I'd suspect the editors catch most of these, but I wouldn't be surprised if D&D authors spend a lot of time consulting with each other, reading obsolete sourcebooks, and sneaking around the internet to help iron out all the trivial problems. Just speculating, since I don't actually know how Wizbro really operates.
Those editors don't catch everything, I might note. A bunch of nitpicky geeks will. Or is there some doubt as to the geekiness of fanficcers that I don't know about? 
I would hope that there's an effort by WotC to ensure at least setting consistency (if not narrative consistency) for everything put forth though. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2011 : 15:27:18
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Originally posted by althen artren
Question Friend Eric,
Have any of your female fans tried to seduce you?
Maybe some are in it for the hot chicks!
Ha! That'd be the day. 
Many of us authors are happily married, so I imagine it's not for the groupies. (Not that there's anything wrong with being a rock star, etc.)
I will say that I have consistently seen Ed signing ladies' body parts at GenCon and other conventions. Very amusing!
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 04 Jan 2011 : 16:07:25
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I will say that I have consistently seen Ed signing ladies' body parts at GenCon and other conventions. Very amusing!
Cheers
The man's a rock star. No doubt about it |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2011 : 16:11:42
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Jan 2011 : 00:36:12
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Ed is more like Elminster than he wants to let on.
No, he's not. And we really don't need to go through this again. I tend to believe Ed's own words on this faulty assumption, and that should be the end of it. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2011 : 00:37:21
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
And, no matter how "strange" relationships may be perceived in the Realms, Doctor's got them beat (well, if you mix reality and fiction ).
The Doctor and his/a [Doctor's] daughter? Hehe... It's not that perverse when you're a Time Lord, I suppose.  |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 06 Jan 2011 : 01:32:47
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Ed is more like Elminster than he wants to let on.
No, he's not. And we really don't need to go through this again. I tend to believe Ed's own words on this faulty assumption, and that should be the end of it.
My fault for inflaming the analog, I suppose, with the observation about signings. These are actually evidence of people making certain assumptions about Ed, and him being too gosh darn polite to correct them.
I for one know Ed fairly well--well enough to call him friend and email him when it's not pressing, just to make conversation--and while he does have a randy sense of humor sometimes, he is a class act and not at all a loveable, lecherous old goat. (Well, the loveable part, mayhap!)
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Lady Fellshot
Senior Scribe
USA
379 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2011 : 01:38:59
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
And, no matter how "strange" relationships may be perceived in the Realms, Doctor's got them beat (well, if you mix reality and fiction ).
The Doctor and his/a [Doctor's] daughter? Hehe... It's not that perverse when you're a Time Lord, I suppose.
No, no no... Sage, that horrified screaming sound you hear in the background are the newly heartbroken fangirls giving voice to their grief.  |
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