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Razz
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 Posted - 27 Nov 2010 : 18:50:15
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I distinctly remembering Shar being involved towards the end of the series.
I can't remember exactly what it was, though. I remember reading something along the lines of her fully gaining control of the Shadow Weave, correct? How was this accomplished again? It had something to do with the Karse Stone right? Did they steal the whole stone and use it for something? I remember something about her eye appearing during some ritual.
Can someone help me fill in these blanks? Thanks!
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 27 Nov 2010 : 18:54:38
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| IIRC she took possession of the Karse Stone, which would allow her to ignore Mystra's ban. If that's the case, she hasn't used it yet in canon. I can't remember anything about her control over the Shadow Weave. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 00:39:38
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| She took the Karse Stone when Shade Enclave started to plummet and before Malik could steal it for his demented god. As to what she used it for, there was no mention. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 06:19:47
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| Which novels are these? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 06:34:20
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| It's The Sorcerer, book 3 of the The Return of the Archwizards trilogy. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 07:19:12
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Early 3E Realms novels. They were the beginning of the End of the Realms as we knew them. The start of the Shar, Shade, and Shadowcrap lovefest WotC went on. I enjoyed them btw, just sayin... |
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then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 15:52:13
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| I see, so she just stole it from Cyric. I thought I remembered reading it was to cement her control over the Shadow Weave, but guess not. I know it was used for the ritual to return the city back to Faerun. Was curious what other use Shar had for it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 17:22:38
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Originally posted by Razz
I see, so she just stole it from Cyric. I thought I remembered reading it was to cement her control over the Shadow Weave, but guess not. I know it was used for the ritual to return the city back to Faerun. Was curious what other use Shar had for it.
Huh? Cyric never had it... |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 11:10:57
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| Indeed, Wooly. Malik was supposed to steal it for him. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 11:56:40
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As I recall, Shar was a lesser or intermediate deity of little note back in the day. Not at all the antithetical megapower of the cosmos who balances/opposes pure radiant goody-two-shoes Super Selūne.
And Shar (or Mask, acting something like "Shar's Herald") has been quite active stealing bits of divine power here and there. Are these activities supposed to explain her cosmic promotion? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 13:19:27
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| Yes. Add to that the growing number of her followers and Shadow-Weave spellcasters. |
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swifty
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Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 21:59:08
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Originally posted by Arik
As I recall, Shar was a lesser or intermediate deity of little note back in the day. Not at all the antithetical megapower of the cosmos who balances/opposes pure radiant goody-two-shoes Super Selūne.
And Shar (or Mask, acting something like "Shar's Herald") has been quite active stealing bits of divine power here and there. Are these activities supposed to explain her cosmic promotion?
not sure how far back were going but going back to one of the old sourcebooks from the mid 90s shar was one of only three greater evil powers along with talos and cyric.if you mean back in the day as in 100s of years ago you might be right. |
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Sandro
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Posted - 30 Nov 2010 : 06:07:14
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As per the original FRCS, Shar was a NE Greater Power; incidentally, Selune was, back in the day, only a Lesser Power.
However, they've been enemies ever since the get go, though it seems it was less of an even fight then than it is now: "Shar battles continually with Selune, slaying her often (i.e. every new moon)." |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Nov 2010 : 06:29:53
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| Was Shar's "promotion" to greater power just sort of handwaved? |
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Kno
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Nov 2010 : 22:55:38
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Sandro
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Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 01:45:25
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Originally posted by Arik
Was Shar's "promotion" to greater power just sort of handwaved?
I don't know where handwaving would occur, as, like I said, she's been a Greater Power since the original FRCS -- that is, the Old Grey Box. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 05:32:35
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| I wonder why Selune very rarely had screen time in novels. Her twin always got the attention. She must be really jealous of her farruking sister! |
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Sandro
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Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 06:51:26
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Originally posted by dennis
I wonder why Selune very rarely had screen time in novels. Her twin always got the attention. She must be really jealous of her farruking sister!
My god man, if you must insist on using such vulgarity, well, stlarn it, I don't even know what to say to you!
Selune, it bears noting, started out as a Lesser Power, back in the OGB, and has always been somewhat overshadowed by Mystra, to whom she's closely linked. Mystra has always been the female goddess of goodness, and so Selune becomes somewhat redundant, whereas Shar can come in as the female goddess of badness; in 3E, she and the Shadovar form a foil for Mystra and her Chosen, which is something Selune could not do.
So, really, it's just simple supply and demand. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 07:55:32
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| There are pantheons (at least outside of D&D lore) which have great-all-powerful-creator powers that, having completed their task of creating the universe and all that, are relegated to lesser stature (and power) among their peers. Of course in RL, pantheons tended to constantly evolve as certain gods assumed greater or lesser functions/portfolios and new powers or aspects were adapted from neighbouring/conquered/conquering regions. Not to mention historical influences from authority-based "deiarchies" imposed onto (eventually) logocentric monotheistic pantheons. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 09:04:31
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Originally posted by Sandro
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Originally posted by dennis
I wonder why Selune very rarely had screen time in novels. Her twin always got the attention. She must be really jealous of her farruking sister!
My god man, if you must insist on using such vulgarity, well, stlarn it, I don't even know what to say to you!
Selune, it bears noting, started out as a Lesser Power, back in the OGB, and has always been somewhat overshadowed by Mystra, to whom she's closely linked. Mystra has always been the female goddess of goodness, and so Selune becomes somewhat redundant, whereas Shar can come in as the female goddess of badness; in 3E, she and the Shadovar form a foil for Mystra and her Chosen, which is something Selune could not do.
So, really, it's just simple supply and demand.
That's what I thought of course when Mystra was still around. But after the SP, I expected another deity of good alignment to rise and have more screen time in novels to somewhat 'balance' Shar's spreading influence. And I thought the best candidate is her own faruk--- twin! |
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