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Wooly Rupert
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 Posted - 05 Dec 2010 : 14:23:12
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Talos or Shar - Time is entropy. Every moment destroys the one before, then is forever lost. Chaos is eternal.
Oghma, I think, would be an interesting choice as well. Each moment carries with it information of what has gone before, what is now, and what is to come. Certainly the protection of such knowledge, and the continuum it rests upon, could also fall under the aegis of the Binder Of What Is Known.
That seems an excellent choice to me.
Another possibility is Savras. Maybe his divination abilities stem from controlling Time. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Dec 2010 : 15:03:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Arik
Talos or Shar - Time is entropy. Every moment destroys the one before, then is forever lost. Chaos is eternal.
Oghma, I think, would be an interesting choice as well. Each moment carries with it information of what has gone before, what is now, and what is to come. Certainly the protection of such knowledge, and the continuum it rests upon, could also fall under the aegis of the Binder Of What Is Known.
That seems an excellent choice to me.
Another possibility is Savras. Maybe his divination abilities stem from controlling Time.
Hmmm. Maybe Oghma and Savras share the portfolio of Time. Oghma is responsible for the literal and temporal transition of the time-stream, and the relationship information has with each moment. Whereas Savras is concerned more with the metaphysical aspects of Time -- how Fate weaves its way through all that has happened across Time, all that is happening, and all that will happen. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Dec 2010 : 15:56:58
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I'm still good with Karsus. An involutive Big Dumb Object full of dormant divine power that stays exactly where it was put and where it needs to be. Perhaps maintenance of time (and other "background chores") are dumped into such semidivine reservoirs (which divine programmers call "Wizards" or "Daemons"*).
* TSR, hmmm ...
Nonetheless, it's fairly evident that Mystra is the power overseeing time travel. Whether time itself falls under her purview isn't as significant as the magical mechanism (probably the only mechanism) used to freely travel through it. My question still stands: how is time travel even possible during those moments that Mystra is not in charge? |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Dec 2010 : 00:21:17
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| Which is odd how she even controls time travel. I remember recently reading that in the city of Raven's Bluff, some adventurers time traveled to before the fall of the dwarven kingdom in that area and brought them to their present to continue living. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Dec 2010 : 01:45:00
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My question still stands: how is time travel even possible during those moments that Mystra is not in charge?
I've always thought, that, perhaps, this was an example of what we've sometimes seen in other sci-fi or fantasy settings. That the time/space continuum itself has some in-built mechanism that allows for a limited degree of self-maintenance.
For example, when I've thought about the Time portfolio in the past, I have never really considered it as something a deity "controls/draws divine strength from/shapes" like most other portfolios. Rather, given Time's intimate connection with the entirety of all reality everywhere and everywhen, I interpret a deity's holding of the Time portfolio, as that of a custodian... ensuring that Time's flow is both secure and consistent. Kinda like the Time Lords from Doctor Who, or Immortus from Marvel Comics.
Now, granted, time-travel can be seen as a gross violation of the preservation of the continuum. And without Mystra, such violations can and likely will occur. But, ultimately, I don't think the presence of Mystra makes all that much difference, in the end. As I said above, the deity responsible for the Time portfolio acts merely as custodian of the time-stream. To prevent nefarious and/or disruptive elements from impacting upon the flow of Time. However, Time may itself also possess a degree of "self-awarenss" [for lack of a better term], derived from both the creator [Ao] and all who have acted in the role of custodian [much like Mystra and the Weave, or Chauntea and Toril]. This self-awareness monitors the continuum and how it should be. And perhaps this is where my idea about dual-custodianship of the Time portfolio by Oghma and Savras might enter into it. Maybe Oghma and Savras supported Mystra in the protection of the continuum. Oghma records all the knowledge of every moment that ever was, is, and will be. While Savras is content to merely monitor the weave of Fate throughout All Time. So with Mystra gone, the time-stream draws upon what Oghma and Savras "know" in order to maintain itself, along with its own self-awareness, and attempts to prevent any disastrous events from occurring and altering the flow of Time. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Dec 2010 : 02:58:53
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| This kind of goes along with what I was thinking. In Piers Antony's Incarnations books, certain concepts had guardians or custodians as you put it. If one steps down or loses his/her office, another steps in to take their place to keep the office from falling into chaos. Time, death, fate, and a few others were central to the series. With gods, it would be even more important. If a god of time or fate was killed or otherwise lost their portfolio, that entire aspect of existence could unravel. Time getting killed could completely destroy the multiverse, so it would have some sort of safeguards to keep that from happening until a new custodian could take over. |
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