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Wooly Rupert
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 Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 12:46:35
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| There's an idea... Maybe they trade some of the traditional drow abilities for some fey abilities, and become willing allies of the Unseelie Court... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 13:42:01
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| Of course... in typical drow fashion, I'd expect these elders would eventually find some way to twist the powers of the Unseelie to their own purposes. Never again would they wish to find themselves as slaves to greater powers. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 14:23:15
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| I've got a first draft, statistics complete with background information (appearance, culture, history etc). I'll give it to some friends and when I have a final version, I'll post it here (translated into English, obviously) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 03:58:43
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Originally posted by Zireael
I've got a first draft, statistics complete with background information (appearance, culture, history etc). I'll give it to some friends and when I have a final version, I'll post it here (translated into English, obviously)
So... We've tossed out a lot of ideas, here. What angle did you choose? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 07:48:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Zireael
I've got a first draft, statistics complete with background information (appearance, culture, history etc). I'll give it to some friends and when I have a final version, I'll post it here (translated into English, obviously)
So... We've tossed out a lot of ideas, here. What angle did you choose?
Half-fey etc., as I wrote.
My friends have already tossed some ideas to boot (new spell-like abilities connected to darkness and spiders, shapechanging, sending somebody to Demonweb Pits 1/week etc.). I should post final version here during the weekend.
I don't want to make them too drider-like. My goal was maxed out Charisma ;P |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2010 : 02:20:14
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So Sage, when u say later, what does that mean in Sagetime?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 09 Oct 2010 : 02:32:38
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Originally posted by althen artren
So Sage, when u say later, what does that mean in Sagetime?
Just askin.
Yes, SageTime, with slight curvature effects of "never-quite-made-it-home-so-I'm-staying-at-a-friend's-house" warping the essence of the Space/SageTime continuum.  |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 Oct 2010 : 04:23:00
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whoops. So who's sitting with the Lady K? Madam Hoody?
Thats a pajama party i wouldn't miss. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 09 Oct 2010 : 05:10:18
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whoops. So who's sitting with the Lady K? Madam Hoody?
Thats a pajama party i wouldn't miss.
No, I'd certainly be home for that! |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 09 Oct 2010 : 10:17:35
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The Elder Drow v.2
The elder drow look like their younger kin - they have black skin and white hair, but here the resemblance ends. Their eyes are red, and the pale colours typical for the dark elves are very rare. They do not wear too many clothes, because that would hinder their flight.
This race is noticeable because of their supernatural beauty and charisma. The lucky few, who have seen them, have talked about "inner light", "hair glittering like mithril" or "skin gleaming with all colours". In addition, the elder drow have transparent, many-colored wings (but in darker hues). They are not merely for aesthetic value - they enable them to fly.
The elder drow are loners. They are rarely seen by creatures other than their common kindred. In the city the size of Menzoberranzan or Eryndlyn you could meet a handful of them; in a smaller town, like the rebuilt Ched Nasad, one can see only one elder drow; and in smaller communities there are none at all. In addition, a small group is living their life in the wilderness of southern Underdark, beneath what once was Ilythiir.
The female elder drow usually become warlocks, choosing the demonbinder prestige class later on. The males become sorcerers or warmages. Sometimes you can also meet a favored soul serving Lloth or Selvetarm. The magic is thick in the elder drow's veins - without it, they would surely never exist.
From ancient times they have an ability to give the blessing of Lloth to their lesser kin and the spiders (the Lloth-touched or half-fiend template). They use it very rarely, especially in modern times.
The true origin and history of this race is lost in the mist of time. The first mention of unnaturally beautiful dark elves dates back to circa -25000 DR, that is the times after Araushnee's fall (-30000 DR). Most of the sources come from Ilythiir, including the fortresses of Narathmault and Athamault. It is very probable that Wendonai the balor (the same that seduced the Sethomiir clan in -11500 DR) was involved in the eventual creation of the separate race, likewise the Spider Queen herself. The influences of the Unseelie Fey are noticeable too. Some whisper that the foundations were done by Ka'Narlist.
Whatever the truth, until the Descent, both the Ssri'Tel'Quessir and their powerful cousins were growing in power. Most of the upper echelons in Ilythiir and a small handful in Miyeritar consisted of elder drow. It is especially the case with the Houses Sethomiir, Hune and Melarn - all of which have survived till now, albeit much diminished in power.
In -10000 DR Corellon changed all the dark elves into drow, which forced them to retreat into the Underdark. Most of the elder drow chose a lonely life then, but a select few remained with their lesser kin. Some of them have led to the creation of the first drow cities - Ust Natha, Telantiwar or Guallidurth.
In the course of the next centuries and millennia, the elder drow have watched their kin (and in many occasions, descendants). They did not take ruling positions in the cities of the dark elves - on the contrary, they have kept to themselves, appearing really rarely - even by the drow standards.
This race has became a legend in the Underdark, and then was entirely forgotten. Only in the end of the 14th century DR they were remembered again. The Silence of the Spider Queen and the subsequent events forced the elder drow to come out of hiding, and their younger kin to admit this fact.
Example elder drow
Geildrin Sethomiir: male elder drow Sor10, CR 17, medium-size outsider (native), HD 10k4+10, hp 30, Init +8, Spd 30 ft, fly 60 ft (good); AC 28 touch 20 flat-footed 24; attack +5 melee (longsword, 1k8/19-20/x2) or +9 ranged (light crossbow, 1k8/19-20/x2/25 m); SA familiar (none), smite good (damage +10), rebuke spiders 14/day, walk the webs; SQ elder drow traits, DR 5/good & cold iron, SR 21; AL CE; SV Fort +4 Ref +7 Will +9; Str 10 Dex 18 Con 12 Int 18 Wis 14 Cha 32.
Skills and Feats: Spellcraft +17, Concentration +14 (+18 defense), Knowledge (arcane) +17, Knowledge (nobility & royalty) +10, Know (planes) +10, Diplomacy +21, Bluff +17, Intimidate +12, Hide +14, Move Silently +14; Combat Casting, Spell Penetration, Improved Initiative, Dodge
Spells known: 9/5/4/3/2/1, DC 21 + spell level, caster level 10.
Sorcerer spells per day: 6/9/9/9/7/5.
Spell-like abilities: 1/day darkness, dancing lights, hipnosis, suggestion, sleep, Tasha's hideous laughter, unholy blight, emotion, lesser geas, contagion; 2/day - faerie fire; 3/day #8211; detect thoughts, detect law, protection from law, poison; At will - charm person.
Equipment: bracers of armor +8, ring of protection +4, cloak of elvenkind*, boots of elvenkind*; longsword, light crossbow + bolts
* included in the statistics
In darkness: Spd 90 ft., HD 10k4+20, hp 40, attack +7 melee (longsword, 1k8+2/19-20/x2) or +11 ranged (light crossbow, 1k8+2/19-20/x2); SQ fast healing 2, control light, invisibility 1/round, shadow image 3/day, shadow step, shadow travel; SV Fort +6 Ref +9 Will +11; Con 14 Cha 34.
Skills: Racial bonus +4 to Listen and Spot; racial bonus +8 to Move Silently & Hide.
In faerzress: attack +7 melee (longsword, 1k8+2/19-20/x2) or +11 ranged (light crossbow, 1k8+2/19-20/x2); +4 to SV against divination spells and effects
In darkness & faerzress: pd 90 ft., HD 10k4+20, hp 40, attack +7 melee (longsword, 1k8+2/19-20/x2) or +11 ranged (light crossbow, 1k8+2/19-20/x2); SQ fast healing 2, control light, invisibility 1/round, shadow image 3/day, shadow step, shadow travel; SV Fort +6 Ref +9 Will +11 (+4 to SV against divination spells and effects); Con 14 Cha 34.
Skills: Racial bonus +4 to Listen and Spot; racial bonus +8 to Move Silently & Hide.
Elder drow as characters
Strength +2, Dexterity +6, Constitution -4, Intelligence +6, Wisdom +2, Charisma +14
Medium size. Type outsider (native)
Base land speed 30 feet, fly speed 60 feet (good)
Armor Class: Natural armor bonus +2
Special attacks: smite good, spell-like abilities, rebuke spiders, walk the webs (as arachnomant [Und])
Special qualities: darkvision, immunity to poison, acid/cold/electricity/fire resistance 10, DR 5/good & cold iron; immunity to enchantment spells and effects; detect faerzress, mark with power; SR 11 + character level
Spell-like abilities: 1/day darkness, faerie fire, dancing lights. In addition, if Intelligence/Wisdom > 8, has the following cumulative abilities, Charisma-based DC, dependent on HD:
1-2 HD: at will - charm person, 1/day #8211; hipnosis, faerie fire, 3/day #8211; detect thoughts
3-4 HD: 1/dzień suggestion, sleep, 3/day detect law
5-6 HD: 3/day protection from law, 1/day Tasha's hideous laughter, unholy blight
7-8 HD: 1/day emotion, 3/day poison
9-10 HD: 1/day lesser geas, contagion
11-12 HD: 1/day dominate person, blasphemy
13-14 HD: 1/day creeping doom; 3/day spider form
15-16 HD: 1/day mass suggestion, greater planar ally
17-18 HD: 1/day insanity, summon monster IX (only fiends)
19+ HD: 1/day spider shape [FRCS], destruction
Automatic languages: elven, undercommon. Bonus: abyssal, sylvan, common, hellish.
Favored class: warlock (kobiety), sorcerer (male)
CR: +7
Alignment: Always evil, usually chaotic
ECL: +8
Additionally in darkness:
+2 to Constitution & Charisma; Base land speed +20 ft, AC +4 (deflection); +2 to attack & damage rolls, +4 to all saving throws
Special Qualities: fast healing 2, control light, invisibility 1/round, shadow image 3/day, shadow step, shadow travel;
Skills: Racial bonus +4 to Listen and Spot; racial bonus +8 to Move Silently & Hide.
Additionally in faerzress or earth node:
+2 AC bonus (deflect), +2 bonus on attack and damage rolls, +4 do saving throws against divination spells and effects
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That would be all for now.
Any further comments?
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jaelin910
Acolyte
Australia
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 10:12:29
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the only thing i can think to say is that with charisma that high i would be surprised if they had to pay anyone for anything(due to charisma infuencing the shopkeeper to sell for less and less and less...
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jaelin910
Acolyte
Australia
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 10:15:43
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 21:12:06
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| wouldn't these drow be pre-Lolth, sort of independent of her influence? |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 12 Oct 2010 : 11:01:13
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wouldn't these drow be pre-Lolth, sort of independent of her influence?
Look at the dates in the background text. I mentioned them specifically for that reason. They were created after Araushnee became Lloth, so they were corrupted, and even more than the normal dark elves of the time. That's why I stressed they made up the ruling class of Ilythiir. Coronal Geildirin Sethomiir was one of them, for example. The elves who unleashed the Dark Disaster were mostly elder drow, too. They were simply more depraved than their lesser kin. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Oct 2010 : 21:42:37
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| ok, I confused the dark elves with the drow |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 18:05:01
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The Descendants of Ilythiir
Headquarters: Ched Nasad
Members: 300 straightaway, circa 10000 in the entire Underdark
Hierarchy: segmented, in the separate cells military
Leaders: Ildibane Nasadra (dead) (NE drow male Wiz 23/Acm1), SiNafay Vrinn (NE drow female ...), Saithafein Teken'duis (CE drow male warlock 18)
Religion: drow pantheon, Shar, Malar
Alignment: NE, CE, LE, CN
Secrecy: High
Symbol: a pair of green eyes in a drow face
History
The archmage Ildibane Nasadra, born in 573 DR, has travelled a lot in the Underdark, often in disguise. He noticed during his travels that there are the same qualities in the dark elves of different cities - regarding their alignment and willpower, not appearance. After long research he learned about the existence of the elder drow.
Therefore he started tracking a sparse few of the sources that are left from the times of Ilythiir and Miyeritar, including the ancient chronicles. He managed to find names of several houses that have survived to this day. Drawing a genealogical tree after a genealogical tree, he discovered that more descendants of the houses of old are alive than anyone had imagined. Thus he found a pair of descendants of Ilythiir whose ancestry he was absolutely sure about.
Ildibane, when he saw them scheming together, helped them - told them there are more who are similar to them. When the small group met for the first time, it turned out that many of them have green eyes - like Nasadra himself.
Since that time the archmage was very interested in the fate of the descendants of Ilythiir, to weave them into the web of intrigues forming the as yet unnamed organization. One day a password was suggested - "Green eyes". It quickly caught on. The name of a dark elf who first called the group "The Descendants of Ilythiiri" is not known, most probably he is now dead anyway.
Matron Aunrae Nasadra knew well her brother is not just traveling the Realms Below. She was aware of the fact that he is searching for his people in different cities of the Underdark. As long as she had her profits from Ildibane's net of informants and wide knowledge, she did not obstruct it too much.
Unfortunately, she did not know that an amazing drow woman is among Ildibane's allies. SiNafay Vrinn, dalharil lil Lloth, was among the last of Ildibane's direct children. Born in 1300 DR, she quickly showed her powers. The mortal daughter of the Spider Queen was a puppet in the archmage's hands.
Until a chance meeting with her half-brother revealed the organization's existence and the identity of her distant ancestors. Since that time SiNafay became one of the head figures in the organization.
Ildibane Nasadra died in 1371, and the vision of the Descendants of Ilythiir as a dark behind-the-scenes organization dabbling mostly in drow politics died with him. After a short fight the fraction led by SiNafay and her half-brother Alak tipped the scales in their favor. They both see the Descendants of Ilythiir as a powerful force, that shaped in a right way, can change the fate of the Underdark. For the young Matron they are an army that should serve the Dark Mother.
Another faction is led by Saithafein Teken'duis from Rilauven, the eldest of living members. Religion does not matter too much for him. He'd rather the Descendants of Ilythiir stayed a group whose aim is capturing power in the drow society, of course in a quiet way.
Both factions are nearly equal in power, and Saithafein and SiNafay often differ in view. It can lead to noticeable internal strife or even a break-up in the organization.
Another faction is led by Waerva Jae'llat of Ust Natha. She believes they can change the drow society in such a way that the church of Lloth started to accept those who serve the Spider Queen in a different way. Her plans can be made true after the Silence of Lloth, as of right now, she does not have too many followers. One of them is her half-brother Zoran Jae'llat, who is not one of the Descendants.
Yet another faction is called the Traitors. Their leader is not known, it is said though he has renounced the Spider Queen for another deity.
Details about motivation, recruitment etc coming soon!
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_Jarlaxle_
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Nov 2010 : 10:03:50
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Originally posted by Zireael
The first mention of unnaturally beautiful dark elves dates back to circa -25000 DR, that is the times after Araushnee's fall (-30000 DR). Most of the sources come from Ilythiir, including the fortresses of Narathmault and Athamault. It is very probable that Wendonai the balor (the same that seduced the Sethomiir clan in -11500 DR) was involved in the eventual creation of the separate race, likewise the Spider Queen herself.
I'm not sure if the Evermeet novel gives a direct date but if I remember correctly it implies that Lotlth meets the dark elves much later than her fall. So -25000 DR may be a to early for this. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 14:19:31
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
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Originally posted by Zireael
The first mention of unnaturally beautiful dark elves dates back to circa -25000 DR, that is the times after Araushnee's fall (-30000 DR). Most of the sources come from Ilythiir, including the fortresses of Narathmault and Athamault. It is very probable that Wendonai the balor (the same that seduced the Sethomiir clan in -11500 DR) was involved in the eventual creation of the separate race, likewise the Spider Queen herself.
I'm not sure if the Evermeet novel gives a direct date but if I remember correctly it implies that Lotlth meets the dark elves much later than her fall. So -25000 DR may be a to early for this.
Five thousand years is not "much later" for you?
BTW I have good news. Snowblood is making an Ilythiir project! (finally) |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 29 Aug 2011 : 19:22:41
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I posted the Elder Drow (both in Polish and English) to my webpage. Seemed like a good idea to have everything of mine on it.
EDIT: And I hope to find time to translate the missing details for the Descendants of Ilythiir. |
SiNafay Vrinn, the daughter of Lloth, from Ched Nasad!
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Edited by - Zireael on 29 Aug 2011 19:23:29 |
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